ORE 1.8 Server Development Progress

[Nickster258]

Release date: Tuesday, April 7th, 2015

Due to the controversial demand of getting ORE updated to 1.8, I have started work on making the 1.8 compatible version of ORE!

This will be run via spigot and our hopes is to cut down on our custom plugin, OREUtils, and rely more on other plugins with a bigger base and greater support. We are wanting to do this because at the moment we are not only an administrative team but also a plugin developer. Limiting this to being an administrative team will allow us to focus on what is best, maintaining the community.

Due to the inclusion of PlotMeSquared, updating will require a map reset, on both worlds. There will be a time where we have the ORE map loaded so that people could copy over their builds they would like to work on and such, but a map reset was inevitable with PlotMeSquared.

There is currently no proposed release date. Could be a week, could be a couple months, it depends on how well the development process goes and how demanding the community is on getting 1.8. There will be a time where the old maps are loaded in multi-verse and going to them to fetch old builds and copy them over to the new world.

If we see the development process going smoothly and find a time where all of the Staff team can get online to work together and get all of the servers updated to 1.8, we could then release a proposed release date for ORE 1.8 Servers. The servers will probably be offline for a day or so since working with such a big change is not going to be easy.

ORE Build ToDo:

Not Done
Done

• Finalize permissionsex.
  
• Setup a map backup plugin.
  
• Setup HawkEye.
  
• Finalize HawkEye.
  
• Finalize PlotSquared.
  
• Fix block orientation in WorldEdit with //rotate.
  
• Allow upper-slabs back.
  
• Setup PlotSquared world generator config.yml for the Build server.
  
• Add permission nodes for each group.
  
• Get PlotSquared to work.
  
• Get PurpleIRC finalized.
  
• Setup permissionsex prefixes, suffixes, and other visually appealing items.
  

ORE School ToDo:

Not Done
Done

• Finalize permissionsex.
  
• Get PurpleIRC finalized.
  
• Setup a map backup plugin.
  
• Develop a 1.8 compatible build of WorldEdit.
  
• Setup HawkEye.
  
• Finalize HawkEye.
  
• Allow upper-slabs back.
  
• Setup permissionsex prefixes, suffixes, and other visually appealing items.
  
• Clean up the permissions tree for School.
  
• Add permission nodes for each group.
  
• Setup PlotSquared world generator config.yml for the School server.
  
• Finalize PlotSquared.
  
• Get PlotSquared to work.
  

Progress:
Feb 7, 2015:
- Started. Got PlotMe, and that was really it.

Feb 8, 2015:
- Installed essentials and multi-verse.

Feb 9, 2015:
- Got world edit build 6.0.2 to work!nvm
- Got build on the server and all player.dat is up to date since Feb 8, 2015.
- WorldEdit breaks with //rotate... The torches, pistons, and other orientation-reliant blocks also break, probably due to the block ID structure in 1.8 being so different.
- PurpleIRC works well also, connected to #OREServerChat without OREUtils and chatted fine with the rest of ORE while I was developing.

Feb 10, 2015:
- PlotMe is awesome. Already figured out pretty much everything for how plotme will work on school and on build. Build plots will not have the chunk markers, however, but other than that, it is practically the same. School, however, will most likely be a completely different stock plot with similar permissions.
- PlotMe also, apparently, disables briefing with slime block flying machines. (Now using PlotSquared)
- Continued work on PurpleIRC, got it running even cleaner.

Feb 11, 2015:
- Further testing with PlotMe and further improvement on the PlotMe performance on the server.
- Divided the test server to be test servers for both Build and School.

Feb 12, 2015:
- Thanks to chibill, we have found a build of WorldEdit, 5.6.3, that works perfectly fine in 1.8!
- Also thanks to chibill, we now have our upside down slabs back! (In different types also!)
- Thanks to PabloDons for helping setup tons of permission nodes with builder and student group on the school server.
- Started work on spawn (Looks smexy so far)

Feb 13, 2015:  ooooo 2 spooky 5 me
- Further permission work from PabloDons.
- Further WorldEdit testing proved that WorldEdit works exactly as it did in 1.7.10!

Feb 14, 2015:
- Added details to spawn. Made it look neater and we are now 3/4 done with spawn.
- Fixed an issue we found with the sky by having the "dust-storm" in the distance removed.

Feb 15 - 18, 2015
- Fixed little issues with permissions and others.

Feb 19, 2015
- Replaced PlotMe with PlotSquared due to the increased features. Release will be delayed, but for good reason.
- Due to the inclusion of PlotSquared, we now have Dynamic map support. Dynamic map will replace the in game map on the build server and school server will have neither the in game map nor dynamic map.

Feb 20 - March 3, 2015
- Thanks to Pablo, who has been working on IRC, and the developer of PurpleIRC, Cnuade, we now have features added to PurpleIRC to distinguish servers from each other and to add more formatting features.
- Further exploration in PurpleIRC discovered that there is multiple features in PurpleIRC that will benefit the community. For one, server-side OPs can send commands to IRC to mute/kick/ban users. In IRC, people can not only private message others on the server, but also send specific commands to the server.

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Below I would like for anyone to list any of his/her recommendations for ORE 1.8. Any recommendation that seems to not be a serious recommendation will be deleted without warning. I would like to keep this one of the most serious threads in the Announcements subforum because it is important that we update, and in a timely manner.

~Nickster258

Contributors:
Paulydboy:
- Fixing PlotMe.
- Helping tons with permissions.
PabloDons:
- Being both a permissions testificate and for helping add permissions nodes everywhere.
- Helped a lot with PurpleIRC. Worked with Cnuade to get features that would be specifically beneficial to ORE.
Nuupanaani:
- For helping figure out PurpleIRC.
Magazorb:
- For helping test PlotMe permissions and permissionsex permissions.
Chibill:
- Plugin development. Developing both /slab and rewriting the fun commands for java.

[Chibill]

I can work on the upside down slab thing. It should be simple enough.

[Nickster258]

I can work on the upside down slab thing. It should be simple enough.

Thanks so much. Freeman thought of something such as "/halfslab" where every slab you place is 44:8 though the ID for it is 44. Type "/halfslab" again and it is reset.

[Chibill]

I was going to make it give you a slab with a custom nbt data and catch block placements for that nbt data and place a upside down one.

[Nickster258]

I was going to make it give you a slab with a custom nbt data and catch block placements for that nbt data and place a upside down one.

Either way works, as long as they can toggle the slabs and place them they are happy.

[Chibill]

Okay. Should I make it a java plugin or python?

[Nickster258]

Java. The less reliances on other things the better.

[PabloDons]

/halfslab

it's called a slab

[Chibill]

As for world edit problem I can point you here http://youtrack.sk89q.com/issueMobile/WORLDEDIT-3220

Also made a topic in programing for my plugin to get upside down half slabs work and so if you need more things added (like implementing some of the funny commands.) I can just add it in.

[LordDecapo]

I love all you programers xD I will be so upset if my top slabs wold have to be replaced with glowstone.
if my non-programming self can help, let me know.

[Legofreak]

unconfirmed, but somebody says 126:9 will work for slabs.

edit: according to the minecraft wiki, its an upper spruce wood slab.

someone else said try "stone_slab 8" seems like a colon should be there but it wasn't

[Chibill]

that does not work.. It may give you a slab with the right metadata (well actually BlockState...) But it places as a normal one.

[PabloDons]

So me and pauly have Bern working om permissions for member and visitor. All the plot and we commands are pretty much done. All we need is to go through the essentials permissions for both (which is a pretty long list, but I think it's worth doing to avoid the OREUtilsV2 incident).

I am really happy to be part of the development now. It really is a good feeling to be of assistance and contribute as to not feel like I'm nagging at the staff team (something that makes me feel like a douche). Thank you so much, Nick, for giving me the opportunity to. Really

[Nickster258]

I saw that. I thank ya'll for doing that. We should hop into teamspeak tomorrow afternoon around 13:00 EST (I am not familiar with your timezone) and we can work out a ton of the perms.

We have to make a note between the difference of Build and School perms, they will vary a ton. So essentially there will be two 18 servers, one Build and one School.

[Phase]

If you need any help with teh Bukkits, I know it like the back of my hand.

Also, why switch to PlotMe? Didn't Chibill have a working version of Spigot that supported PyLoader?

[Chibill]

I got PyLoader working put read the OP.
(PyLoader had a error from 1.7.10 when craftbukkit changed from on area using an ArrayList to using a List.)

[PabloDons]

Why switch to PlotMe? Didn't Chibill have a working version of Spigot that supported PyLoader?

what chibill said, also if you read what nick said earlier, we want to have as little dependence on things like PyLoader for half of ORE to work (like how the server built today so it doesn't take as long of a time to update each time a new update is released).

Also nick, I'll be there, it's actually a quite nice time for me to chat

[tyler569]

I'll just throw this in here:

In the unfortunate event that we end up absolutely needing something to be community-developed, it would be highly preferable for myself and the admin team's future sanity that it *not* be written in Python. Of all of our plugins, that Python loader adds the least direct value and has caused the most headaches. If we are to consider *anything* to be the ultimate goal of this project, it should be the elimination of the Python loader.

[Nickster258]

I'll just throw this in here:

In the unfortunate event that we end up absolutely needing something to be community-developed, it would be highly preferable for myself and the admin team's future sanity that it *not* be written in Python. Of all of our plugins, that Python loader adds the least direct value and has caused the most headaches. If we are to consider *anything* to be the ultimate goal of this project, it should be the elimination of the Python loader.

They are being written in java.

[PabloDons]

I am learning java syntax right now, it would be cool if someone would teach me how to make plugins with it. I would not only like to contribute to the development of OREUtils, but I would be making my own plugins in my free time just for fun. also I would be able to make plugins for suggestions I have for commands cuz pretty much every command I have suggested has been accepted and forgotten about.

[Nickster258]

Major hiccup with WorldEdit. Not only does //rotate not work, but often times //copy //paste //cut //stack and others fail to work.

The 1.8 update is depending on WorldEdit, if we do not have WorldEdit, we will not have 1.8 yet.

[PabloDons]

I believe that is an error with the spawn. I'm not sure though, I will test these tomorrow or maybe later today if I have time. I will need your assistance though, nick, because the error might reveal itself in the logs/console

[Chibill]

We can try older version of WorkdEdit as people have said that in the newer updates of worldedit cause this.

[Nickster258]

Chibill, thank you.

He sent me the build for worldedit 5.6.3. Apparently in build 6.x.x they introduced a different way they handle things, by pasting and doing the calculations when the user decides what to do with it. So when someone did //rotate and then //paste, it tried to paste and rotate it at the same time and therefore data values would mess up.

Build 5.6.3 has fixed 99% of these issues. (Not saying 100% yet because I have not fully tested it.)

[Dcentrics]

Nick would you like me to start with the 1.8 on school or are we just going to finish build first?

[Nickster258]

Nick would you like me to start with the 1.8 on school or are we just going to finish build first?

I am working on both of them side-by-side.

[Dcentrics]

Looking at the progress it seems as if its just build

[Nickster258]

I haven't updated school yet.

Worldedit, perms, plots, slabs, and tons others are updated. I'm trying to do them side-by-side just so that I can maintain similarity between them.

[PabloDons]

Build 5.6.3 has fixed 99% of these issues. (Not saying 100% yet because I have not fully tested it.)

I went ahead and tested the build. everything seems to work fine except a few things:

1. when extended pistons are stacked with no space in between, the extended part disappears
   
2. when standing and slightly turned signs are flipped, they don't actually flip, they rotate 180 degrees.
   

that's all I've found for now. I left the testing area ugly as fug so anybody can hop on and check it out, it's right next to spawn for now. I put signs on what seems to be needed labeled.

this is the original thing I messed with:

Edit: also I finalized the builder perms. went through the entire essentials perm list

[Nickster258]

I finalized the builder perms. went through the entire essentials perm list

Awesome!

I have an idea for spawn and I want to build it :3

[Nickster258]

*Sumons xray_doc*

We need methlab #3

[PabloDons]

*Simons xray_doc*

We need methlab #3

This +1

[Xray_Doc]

Good luck getting me on the server again.

The meth lab only existed on my plot, all of its content came from you guys.

You are the real meth lab

[Magic :^)]

You are the real meth lab

<3

[Nickster258]

WorldEdit works, upside down slabs work, and plots work...

We may see a release date for ORE 1.8 really soon...

[Legofreak]

do 1.7.10 schematics work?

[Nickster258]

do 1.7.10 schematics work?

Has schematics ever worked? *chuckles*

It should. I am going to issue the server with multi-verse. People could transfer their things later.

I will work on the schematics thing after this ORE 1.8 update. Too busy at the moment. xD

[slugdude]

Is it really impossible to make chunk borders? They are really useful, especially when building chunk loading wires for the network, which depend upon pistons on the chunk border facing into another chunk. Could a little plugin be written that when stuff is generating, it dots the new terrain with chunk borders?

[Nickster258]

Is it really impossible to make chunk borders? They are really useful, especially when building chunk loading wires for the network, which depend upon pistons on the chunk border facing into another chunk. Could a little plugin be written that when stuff is generating, it dots the new terrain with chunk borders?

With plotme you may have some issues with your system. Plotme doesn't allow pistons to extend out of a plot but I think you can get away with it considering builders will be able to build anywhere with PlotMe.

[slugdude]

May I also add that being able to later expand the world is a must. Look what happened to school when it ran out of plots. Will the new world have a map like before? I'd like that.

---

Plotme doesn't allow pistons to extend out of a plot

Oh god pleas no

[Nickster258]

Literally the only thing to add more plots: expand the world border. So yes.

[SoapyLynx]

Wait so all my shit is gone?

[Nuuppanaani]

Wait so all my shit is gone?

Oh dog... We haven't even reset the map yet. If we had we would have at least taken backups...

[Nickster258]

Do you guys possibly want a release date? We are getting closer and closer.

[Chibill]

Sure! If you want to supply one.

[David]

I'm just throwing a quick suggestion at ya. Is it possible to integrate a webapp and a plugin so that members can create their own commands? For example, I'd go to plugin.openredstone.org, I'd be able to write java code there (Or any funky scripting language the creator could come up with) and implement it into the server? I hope I explained it well. That's it peas out.

[PabloDons]

I'm just gonna go ahead and say it right now because I've been active in the development of the 1.8 server. progress is going very effectively! we've been working our asses off (especially nick) with the spawn area and I believe we have pretty much almost reached climax. Also since freebuild is not supported by plotme, we were unable to supply one. so there's that. I am trying not to spoil anything, but you can bet your asses your pants will drop and ovaries break when you see it. Nick and the others have truly made a great spawn out of a great idea. all we need to do is finalize the spawn and test everything (promoting and claiming plots and such). we haven't made build spawn yet, we have to do that as well so it's gonna be a one or two extra weeks or so, there's also the permissions for mod because right now there is no mod rank (it exists though, that's it). You can most likely expect a release date for school before build unless staff wants to update them at the same time though. I haven't talked to nick or the others yet, but I personally expect everything to be done maybe a week after march or even by march if we can keep up our current efficiency. don't take my word for it though because this is completely raw speculation from myself alone. But yeah, I expect a release date by the end of this week.

- Pabro

[Nickster258]

I feel good about this also!

School is done. Only thing to do is background services such as map backups and Hawkeye.

For build I plan on crowd sourcing the spawn. Let you guys enter your spawn. Limitations: 128*128 blocks.

Post pictures and a schematic.

[Nickster258]

All irelavent posts will be deleted without warning. Keep on topic.

[Phase]

I'm confused, is the current world going to be available on the new server? Like how RDF is on there now?

[Nickster258]

Read main post.

[Chibill]

Question can we look into this for some people who think command blocks are not completely bad. http://dev.bukkit.org/bukkit-plugins/saf...and-block/

[Magic :^)]

While I personally won't be touching command blocks, I wouldn't mind them.

BUT

I'd like to see a list of commands that everyone agrees on first.
Like, I'm cool with setblock. because colour displays.
I'm not cool with scoreboard. at all.

Either way it's important to keep in mind that ORE focuses on hardware, not software/scripting, so the inclusion of cmd blocks would have to be very well thought out.

If it changes anyone's minds:
I haven't seen any servers around that use cmd blocks with heavy emphasis on redstone and computing. Searching "redstone server with command blocks", "command block server", and "minecraft redstone command block server" brought up nothing. I have the feeling that a decent server with command blocks allowed will never pop up. If a cmd block server did pop up, it would probably be an adventure map thing etc. etc.

ORE or other redstone servers would really be the only ones that would end up using cmd blocks the way some members would like them to be used. We have the background in digital logic to implement some pretty interesting stuff imo.

(I still am only ok with setblock tho xD)

[Chibill]

Same. And also maybe the one that keeps for a block...

[Nickster258]

The only reason why command blocks look appealing: you can set blocks like redstone blocks and have wireless redstone easily.

It would make a network in minecraft much easier.

[tokumei]

I haven't seen any servers around that use cmd blocks with heavy emphasis on redstone and computing. Searching "redstone server with command blocks", "command block server", and "minecraft redstone command block server" brought up nothing.

That's because there has never been a good plugin for command blocks. Bukkit API never had a good way to handle commands sent by command blocks, so there was no way to do it. (I've even attempted to make a command block protector plugin to no avail).

Apparently at some point there were some improvements made upon that, or the plugin that was linked to by chibill is very hacky.

[Chibill]

Well it is using ProtocolLib.....

[tokumei]

That explains it.

[slugdude]

I'm still not going to use command blocks in my intOREnet. It would be hacky and harder to manage, plus I like the idea of wires crisscrossing the world transmitting data. That doesn't stop people using them on their LANs though.

I'd still support the addition of command blocks like magic described though.

[PabloDons]

making a computer entirely out of commandblocks' /setblock command

[slugdude]

making a computer entirely out of commandblocks' /setblock command

Well you can make a not gate and an or gate so wait not?

Plus memory with test for block

:o memory that can hold as much data as there are blocks in minecraft in the space of a single block

[PabloDons]

making a computer entirely out of commandblocks' /setblock command

Well you can make a not gate and an or gate so wait not?

Plus memory with test for block

:o memory that can hold as much data as there are blocks in minecraft in the space of a single block

Command blocks making everything too easy xD

[Magic :^)]

Command blocks making everything too easy xD

^

Which is why this would have to be really thought out so it doesn't ruin redstone D:

[slugdude]

Command blocks making everything too easy xD

^

Which is why this would have to be really thought out so it doesn't ruin redstone D:

Actually, after thinking about it, I think redstone would lose all it's charm if we had command blocks. Maybe we should leave them to single player.

[tokumei]

I think we should allow them. Those who do not want to use them do not have to use them, but it would be another thing that is easier to collaborate upon.

[PabloDons]

Update:
we have come across a problem with purpleIRC. we have no way of speparating a player on IRC and a player on a server. The reason this is a problem is because we would like to be able to give them different prefixes in-game. those in IRC should have the [IRC] prefix, while those on a server need to have a prefix respective to the server they are on. In OREUtils that problem existed there as well. what the developers did was they tested for a specific IRC name (OREBuild or ORESchool) and replace that with the prefix they wanted. ELSE if that name is not there, ADD the default prefix [IRC]. We are unable to send this data over IRC because how these IRC bridges between servers work is it needs to relay in-game messages into IRC and then relay that back into in-game chat, therefore all that is possible to send is a nickname and a message. I have contacted the author of purpleIRC and he is currently looking into it. Hopefully we will get this sorted out as fast as possible.

-Pablo

[Nickster258]

After looking at the vast features of PlotSquared, I have begun testing with that as an alternative to PlotMe.

Also, PlotSquared has great support for dynmap and we could use Dynmap instead of the in-game plot map.

Tell me what you think!

http://www.spigotmc.org/resources/plot2dynmap.1292/

[Chibill]

Yes and there is the actual intake map support I believe.

[Nickster258]

After some testing I have decided to drop PlotMe for PlotSquared due to the incredible amount of features, schematic system, dynmap support, and worldedit for each plot.

Just an FYI: I won't be on all weekend and we are going to halt development until I hop back on because PlotSquared is quite unique compared to PlotMe. I should be online Sunday afternoon EST.

[Magazorb]

Yay for problems with other peoples software that either requires us to venture into a whole new unknown programme or find some other crap that works, yay for making things hard XD

On a more serious note what issues are you getting?

[Nickster258]

Yay for problems with other peoples software that either requires us to venture into a whole new unknown programme or find some other crap that works, yay for making things hard XD

On a more serious note what issues are you getting?

Kek. No problem in making things "hard" if I can handle them. Besides, it is easy for what I have been doing. All of it is web based, no required user downloads.

No issues at the moment, just that PlotSquared has many more features and an active Dev team. Not to mention many add-ons that make life easier.

[Hastumer]

Um... One question! PlotMe don't allows building on others plots ._. Do you leave that or can we build on others plots, too? Or only with /p add [Name]?

[PabloDons]

Um... One question! PlotMe don't allows building on others plots ._. Do you leave that or can we build on others plots, too? Or only with /p add [Name]?

1. We've dropped plotme for plotsquared
2. There is a build anywhere permission node that members can use. Will not be added for students however due to how easy it is to apply for it (trolls and griefers always take the easy way in)

[Hastumer]

Um... One question! PlotMe don't allows building on others plots ._. Do you leave that or can we build on others plots, too? Or only with /p add [Name]?

1. We've dropped plotme for plotsquared
2. There is a build anywhere permission node that members can use. Will not be added for students however due to how easy it is to apply for it (trolls and griefers always take the easy way in)

Okay thanks for Support!

[Magazorb]

Fair enough, looked as if you had a few issues for a moment

[PabloDons]

update:
about PurpleIRC; the author, cnaude, has now made the necessary functions that are needed for cross server chat to become seamless (more specifically custom prefixes and string replacement). unfortunately thought, it is only a development build, so there are bound to be bugs. We are working together with cnuade to fix these bugs and hunt for more bugs so that an update to PurpleIRC can be released. seems like the 1.8 development is going to be slowed quite a bit because of this and the fact that we have dropped Plotme for PlotSquared, but not to worry, we are doing our best.

[Nickster258]

Plotme for dynmap

PlotMe for PlotSquared so we can have Dynmap and more features*

But yes, cnaude is working with us in adding features to PurpleIRC that will not only benefit us but others as well.

We will try not to rush him so we are going to take the time to make sure that the 1.8 release goes as smoothly as possible.

[PabloDons]

Plotme for dynmap

PlotMe for PlotSquared so we can have Dynmap and more features*

of course, fixed

[Chibill]

http://www.spigotmc.org/threads/bukkit-c...8-3.53745/ 1.8.3

[Nuuppanaani]

http://www.spigotmc.org/threads/bukkit-c...8-3.53745/ 1.8.3

*Chibill cracks whip

[Chibill]

Well as long as we stay up to date we won't have to deal with people. Also there be many bug fixes there.

[Nickster258]

Something with Dynmap and PlotSquared came up.

The developer of Plot2Dynmap has not updated it for the latest version of PlotSquared and I have noticed this after a NullPointerException.

This is only a slight issue. It does mean there will be no visualization of the plots graphically, but Dynmap will still be there and people should be able to see it from there. We will still update without it if it is not available. Later, when Plot2Dynmap is updated, we can apply the update officially.

[Chibill]

Could we not use a slightly outdated Plotsquared?

[PabloDons]

the problem with that is the NullPointerException, apparently Dynmap doesn't update plots correctly

[tyler569]

Could we not use a slightly outdated <anything />?

No. This is how problems begin.

[Chibill]

Well Tyler we are using an outdated WE as the update has issues so..

[Nickster258]

The problem is that some of the required features for us would be vacant. Worldedit hasn't really added any new features recently... At all...

[Chibill]

Yeah. I can try fixing it but I have no idea how it works.

[Chibill]

Any thing new?

[Nickster258]

Nothing yet.

We may have a release date soon though. I have spring break and so does a few others next week.

[mJacobsenma]

Is this code already available or is it still in private development?

[Chibill]

Well its all public plugins there using so it is public.

[Nickster258]

Hello all!

The time has come for me to announce the release date! We have decided that the release date of 1.8 will be Tuesday, April 7th. Please plan for this by setting warps to your old plot. The old map will remain loaded in multiverse for a time and people can access old plots by warping there. The school server will be updated along side the build server to help keep the servers in check. Also because of our IRC plugin not being compatible with OREUtils IRC plugin. Due to this we will also release the new IRC channel because the old one... has issues.

Depending on how busy I am I may also be able to release the new forum theme by then (yay).

It's an exciting time and due to the death of OREUtils and the inclusion of other plugins that have real developers behind them, this will feel slightly different and may come to be called "ORE 2.0." I will write a rather extensive "How-to" of commands with the new list of plugins. Although most people won't need them it be mainly for the Staff team because, phew... there are a ton of changes.

~Nickster258

[Chibill]

Cool two days after my birthday.

[LordDecapo]

About 2 weeks after mine chi lol.
can't wait for dis
I'll make sure my schedule is cleared that day

[Nickster258]

This is gonna be ORE 2.0 awesome!

[Chibill]

Nick I will have a colorized co!!ands.json for you later before then. (To fix stuff being the wrong color A.K.A not !arching OREUtilsV2)

[Phase]

Plot Questions:

How big are the plots going to be?

Can we get more than one plot? (And merge them together? https://github.com/IntellectualCrafters/...ot-merging)

How about VoxelSniper? (https://github.com/IntellectualCrafters/...ot-merging)

Fancy redstone roads? (https://github.com/IntellectualCrafters/...orld-types)

[PabloDons]

Plot Questions:

How big are the plots going to be?

256^3

Can we get more than one plot? (And merge them together? https://github.com/IntellectualCrafters/...ot-merging)

currently on the build server you get an extra plot if yours is full. I am sure it would be the same. also you CAN merge plots together.

How about VoxelSniper? (https://github.com/IntellectualCrafters/...ot-merging)

what do you need voxelsniper for? terraforming?

Fancy redstone roads? (https://github.com/IntellectualCrafters/...orld-types)

nah just normal roads. nothing special about them. If you want, you can surely make the one around your plot fancy, nothing's stopping you.

[Apuly]

I'm sure it's safe to say that we will not have VoxelSniper. Although it's a very nice tool that can help you make amazing landscapes, it's not something that is needed when building redstone, and thus has no reason to be included.

Also, if accidentally misused, it can be quite a pain in the ass for people online, and the people who need to fix the issue.

[Nickster258]

Yeeeaaahhh.... No voxelsniper. Never was never will.

[Xray_Doc]

Voxelsniper is better for minecraft aesthetics creations. Everything you need redstone creations for you can use WE.

[Nickster258]

I have found a way to display AFK players in the tab list. The auto-afk time right now is 5 minutes. There is currently no auto-kick time for AFK players yet, but I may make that one hour to allow people to be AFK but not AFK for an extended amount of time.

[PabloDons]

1 hour is too short to be honest, I am pretty sure you are a sleep and left your computer on if you've been afk for 3 hours. one hour is justified for taking a huge dump. just my opinion

[Magic :^)]

Yeah go more than 1 hour. Sometimes i afk before getting food so i can read over chat after to see if i missed anything important

[Apuly]

I feel like we shouldn't have the afk-kick on the build server. All it will do is get people to make anti-afk machines again.
You should just keep it at the tab-list afk thing.

[tyler569]

Curiosity - if you are taking a huge dump, why do you need to stay connected to the server exactly? Is it *that* much of a hardship to press 2 buttons and rejoin?

I say make the autokick 10 minutes and lazy ass people can suck it the fuck up.

EDIT: if you *must* know what happend while you're gone, IRC. /EDIT

As for anti-afk machines, there's a reason we have rules and make them against them.

[Nickster258]

There are methods of anti-afk prevention. Be it plugins or rules.

I think that if a user does not move for more than one hour he/she should not be on at all. I've added the ~AFK suffix in 1.8 so that people see who is AFK.

Nothing is more disheartening than entering a new server, say "hello" to the 12 users online and get a reply from the 3 people who are not AFK.

There will be an auto-kick time. For now, it will remain one hour. The auto-afk time is currently 5 minutes.

Sometimes when I'm playing or doing something else I have minecraft on my second monitor, just watching it. I have added another feature that will help against those who aren't exactly AFK, but just aren't paying attention to the game.

[LordDecapo]

Being the biggest culprit of being AFK for prolonged periods... I am actually 100% for AFK kicks and the tab menu ~AFK.

As Tyler mentioned, it sucks joining and realizing the people u wanted to talk to.. are ALL afk..
I liked the hour long time as before, I kinda wouldn't mind a 30 min. Timer.... but as nick does, I have MC open on a 2nd monitor, and I have 3 screens total, so I spend a fair amount of time watching chat while doing other things.. and 30 min would be to frequent for my likeing when those situations arise.

[Nickster258]

Just a side note: OP users, most staff and some vets, cannot be auto-kicked.

[Crazyninja2000]

plz no afk kicks. they are really annoying

[tyler569]

Crazy: if you want to prevent it from happening, you'll need to participate in the discussion. Complaining will change nothing, if you have a reason that AFK kicks are bad and can refute the previous points made in favor please take the time to type it out, it'll make the server better overall.

If however, you have no such argument and want only to allow lazyness to reign there was no reason to take to the keyboard in the first place.

[Guy1234567890]

Hm... perhaps for the fun of it, there could be a weekly lottery in which one person would become the "Un-kickable!" Every week you would have the option to submit your name into the lottery pool (to prevent inactives from taking lottery slots). BUT! my opinion is irrelevant and this idea is probably dumb (it is kinda really dumb) but it could be fun!!!

[Guy1234567890]

Also, (it was implied but i'll state it explicitly) the "un-kickability" lasts only one week.

[tyler569]

Again though, why does it matter so much that you be allowed to waste resources by being afk for hours on end?

The timer should extend long enough so as not to kick people who are legitimately there (as much as possible) and no longer (for anyone - including admins if that's possible) in my perfect world.

[LordDecapo]

Agreed, if anything staff AFK kicking is more important IMO. For the new members who join, ask for a staff, and they are all AFK even tho 5 are online (happens often)

[Guy1234567890]

Yeah i mean i totally think the afk timer is a good thing, but i thought it'd just be a funny little inconsequential thing that could be added for those that strongly desire to afk

[slugdude]

You need to add me to the contributors now

[Nickster258]

You need to add me to the contributors now

That spawn would have been a bland and tasteless mess if you had not helped! Thanks!

[Apuly]

Maybe it's possible for staff members to be auto-vanished after a while?
Maybe?
Possibly?

[LordDecapo]

Maybe it's possible for staff members to be auto-vanished after a while?
Maybe?
Possibly?

i thought of that too, it's a good idea

[tyler569]

Maybe it's possible for staff members to be auto-vanished after a while?
Maybe?
Possibly?

That's kind of defeating the point that AFKers are wasting server bandwidth, plus people would then have an incentive to afk, so that they could listen in covertly on conversations.

Also, to go back a few, may I point out that if it takes you an hour to take a dump, you need to get more fiber in your diet, it's not supposed to take that long.

[PabloDons]

to go back a few, may I point out that if it takes you an hour to take a dump, you need to get more fiber in your diet, it's not supposed to take that long.

dood, you don't need to attack me like that. I know taking a dump doesn't take this much time. Either way, being afk doesn't take much bandwidth or resources. standing still DOES keep chunks loaded, it DOES take up some bandwidth, but it isn't much of a hassle. most likely nothing is happening in these chunks worth mentioning (chunk updates) and it takes pretty much no data at all to keep someone connected to the server. I would guess around a few hundreds of Kib/s up/down unless people are around the afk player. keeping players vanished instead is much better because then they can (possibly) react if someone is asking for help.

[Apuly]

Maybe it's possible for staff members to be auto-vanished after a while?
Maybe?
Possibly?

That's kind of defeating the point that AFKers are wasting server bandwidth, plus people would then have an incentive to afk, so that they could listen in covertly on conversations.

yadayada

I honestly don't remember that bandwidth was really an issue, at least not until now in the discussion.
I thought the main problem was that people tried to interact with admins, while they weren't actually there to interact with.

Also, if we simply limit the auto-vanish to the staff team, which I suggested in the first place, the extra used bandwidth is fairly limited (I think), so that shouldn't be much of an issue (I think).

[Nickster258]

The only players to be vanished would be the staff. All others will face the one hour AFK kick time and the 5 minute AFK timer.

At the moment, though, I am to busy with making everything work seemlessly so the vanishish staff will be added later.

[tokumei]

Also, in the new update there will be afk indicators in the tab menu and /list.

[PabloDons]

Also, in the new update there will be afk indicators in the tab menu and /list.

About that, DJ, it seems that the plugin used for this to work is the current most intensive plugin on the test server with double that of the second most intensive plugin being essentials if I remember correctly. What might happen is we drop it, which means no afk indicators.

[tokumei]

Still, we can use the essentials /list to do that anyway. Atl we can do that now.

[slugdude]

Also, in the new update there will be afk indicators in the tab menu and /list.

About that, DJ, it seems that the plugin used for this to work is the current most intensive plugin on the test server with double that of the second most intensive plugin being essentials if I remember correctly. What might happen is we drop it, which means no afk indicators.

Twist: It's actually not very intensive.

Its just that our plugin takes the overall processor time. The plugin needs lots to start up, but after a /reload it shows that dynmap is actually more intensive.

[LordDecapo]

#even2ndmostusedprocessortimeisstillwaytointesiveforasimplenametaginatabmenu

[Nuuppanaani]

Maybe it's possible for staff members to be auto-vanished after a while?
Maybe?
Possibly?

That's kind of defeating the point that AFKers are wasting server bandwidth, plus people would then have an incentive to afk, so that they could listen in covertly on conversations.

Also, to go back a few, may I point out that if it takes you an hour to take a dump, you need to get more fiber in your diet, it's not supposed to take that long.

Friking Reddit, man!

I hate getting kicked while supervising the chat, and that's kind of my job. Maybe staff needs to be able to disable afk kicks manually?

[Nickster258]

* Nickster258 thinks people are ignoring half of the statements he has already made.

Staff wont get kicked, just auto-afked.

Members / all else will get kicked after an hour.

Our chat plugin is most intensive right at the beginning since that is how Top processes if a plugin is "intensive', by how much CPU processing time it takes. Since all we really did was chat and slowly build spawn, no other plugins were doing anything relatively. When using essentials chat it was the same way.

When the server is to be released there will be other plugins taking its place.

[Nuuppanaani]

Staff wont get kicked, just auto-afked.

Just as Lord said, this leads to 5 admins being afk on the server. I think they should get afk kicked if they're actually afk. (With 1 hour afk kicks this isn't really a problem, it's rare someone stays quiet/not moving for that long. But school has a 5 min afk kick timer atm :/)

[Nickster258]

OP admins don't get kicked. What we can do is not make every admin OP.

For me being AFK is not a problem, but it is for many others.

[tyler569]

What we can do is not make every admin OP.

Really, no one should be OP if we actually took the time to make permissions that make sense (no, not "*", there are some things that should be relegated to the extra security console gives)

But that's effort.

[PabloDons]

What we can do is not make every admin OP.

Really, no one should be OP if we actually took the time to make permissions that make sense (no, not "*", there are some things that should be relegated to the extra security console gives)

But that's effort.

idk what should be replaced by using console, but it is as simple as adding the node after a dash to remove it's use ("-essentials.afk.kickexempt" for instance).
either way, IRC is by my opinion the best way to monitor chat. requires much less CPU intensity, you can search through it, and there are by no doubt some clients that write logs (not that it is needed, but might be useful).

[Nickster258]

Once we finalize on the channel and the change is finished, I will be using an irc client on my phone so I am always there when someone addresses me.

[Apuly]

What we can do is not make every admin OP.

Really, no one should be OP if we actually took the time to make permissions that make sense (no, not "*", there are some things that should be relegated to the extra security console gives)

But that's effort.

idk what should be replaced by using console, but it is as simple as adding the node after a dash to remove it's use ("-essentials.afk.kickexempt" for instance).
either way, IRC is by my opinion the best way to monitor chat. requires much less CPU intensity, you can search through it, and there are by no doubt some clients that write logs (not that it is needed, but might be useful).

Tay is not referring to just one change in the staff perms, he's referring to a complete redesign of what staff actually is, where commands that can be vulnerable are removed, so that if somebody logs in with the account of a staff member, he can't fuck up everything.

I must say, I agree with everything that tay said in his post.

[Nickster258]

My only problem with that is that if staff cannot be trusted with the responsibility of those commands, what's the point of them being staff? It makes sense to limit it but when all staff harness the power to change literally everything for ORE, I don't see the need for regulating staff perms.

[tyler569]

It's not a question of trust, it's a question of making people think about what they're typing. It's the same reason everyone recommends you use your shell as a normal user and sudo when you need it, so you don't accidentally fuck shit up without thinking about consequences.

[Apuly]

We've also had a couple of occurrences surrounding "me vrother got on me computor"
While you might be able to get direct access to minecraft using the latest launcher, you still need to go through a security layer on SSH, and then have the knowledge with regards to controlling the server.

Keeping harmful commands in a secure environment makes it harder for other people to do harm, both occidentally and purposely.

[PabloDons]

What we can do is not make every admin OP.

Really, no one should be OP if we actually took the time to make permissions that make sense (no, not "*", there are some things that should be relegated to the extra security console gives)

But that's effort.

idk what should be replaced by using console, but it is as simple as adding the node after a dash to remove it's use ("-essentials.afk.kickexempt" for instance).
either way, IRC is by my opinion the best way to monitor chat. requires much less CPU intensity, you can search through it, and there are by no doubt some clients that write logs (not that it is needed, but might be useful).

Tay is not referring to just one change in the staff perms, he's referring to a complete redesign of what staff actually is, where commands that can be vulnerable are removed, so that if somebody logs in with the account of a staff member, he can't fuck up everything.

I must say, I agree with everything that tay said in his post.

well, more commands can easily be added to the perms so it is removed from use. as I said, you can just add a dash before the node for each specific command or group of commands.

[tyler569]

There's also a bit of a fundamental misunderstand it seems. Under no circumstance would I ever use "-permission" to remove permissions. If we were going to do this, we would be generating a new set of permissions detailing everything admins *are* allowed to do from the ground up, not limiting a few hot button ones.

When dealing in security, never use blacklists, always assume the default positon is deny and use whitelists.

Again though, effort.

[jxu]

When dealing in security, never use blacklists, always assume the default positon is deny and use whitelists.

QFT

[PabloDons]

1.8 server is out woho! finally!

[fluffy406]

has too much LAG
seriously
I cant even get to my old plot to copy my stuff to new plot
I just fall through my plot floor

[Nickster258]

Can't people learn to calm down? Lag is always an issue, fixing it is of course on the agenda.

[Nickster258]

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