What happened to real redstone?

[Iceglade]

So recently, I built a redstone computer. It was the product of over 2 months of planning, fairly dedicated work and also a kind of collaboration with several people for tons upon tons of complex components. The computer implemented a sixteen function CLE ALU, two programmable displays, 128 bytes of program memory, and more.

I get it featured on MINECRAFTdotNET, naturally. I'm all "Wewt, people will love this, they loved all the redstone computers in the past!" And guess what! Big surprise! Here are the three comments I first see.

1. "This isn't special at all! It's just a monitor! To improve, try this new thing called the command block, it makes everything better!"

2. "durr durr command block, EPIC but it better command block durr"

3. "Sethbling could do this with one command block! I'm a mainstream "redstone" fanboy! "

Just... what

[redstonewarrior]

Sethbling could do this with one command block!

[Chibill]

That because the out side world out of ORE are redstone nubs.

[Xray_Doc]

> Command Blocks
> Sethbling
> MinecraftDotNet
Stay pleb 10 year old MC forumers.
Also, link?

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Nevermind, I found it. Don't worry when I get home I will destroy these little brats.

Also, I thought the channel was a forums, not a youtube channel.

This is even worse, they're probably 8 year olds.

[EDevil]

Smack head against wall, remove minecraft licence, IP ban, burn their christmas tree down. Thats how to deal with these kids

[Iceglade]

<3 all of you

[Chibill]

There Nubs plain and simple that use tutorial and say they are so smart that they designed this there selfs.

[Xray_Doc]

> Can I have a download?
Probably only 2% of the people who ever ask to download use it to critique or imrpove their work. The other 98% just want to claim it as their own to their friends.

[David]

The real redstone was eaten by retards who only want to do stuff using command blocks.

[Xray_Doc]

Or people who use RedPower.

[EDevil]

Or people who use RedPower.

Owww, forgotten about that one. Redpower XD Thats just wrong

[Iceglade]

Even the nubs aren't that nubby.

[Kernul_Sanders]

People who can't build with redstone resort to command blocks. Yes, this includes Sethbling.

[Xray_Doc]

>Implying SethBling knows how to redstone

[Frontrider]

Sethbling mostly does game mechanics, whitch are technically using redstone, but the main parts aren't redstone.He mostly using clocks to trigger, and repeaters to wire things up, and thats all.The only truly usefull redstone machine made(correct me if im wrong, theres maybe(very maybe) more) by him is a pulser, with good customazation.if they can compare this kind of stuff with a computer...

[qwerasd205]

Ice don't feel bad the people who posted those comments are ignorant, some people say ignorance is bliss, I say, "Ignorance is a mental response to where a human ignores certain objects or emotions in their inviroment to cope with things ranging from jealousy to anger", but for them, they're just ignorant ;D

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take the first comment "just a monitor" or something like that, NO its not, its a complex networs of thousands of logic gates.

[EDevil]

Ice don't feel bad the people who posted those comments are ignorant, some people say ignorance is bliss, I say, "Ignorance is a mental response to where a human ignores certain objects or emotions in their inviroment to cope with things ranging from jealousy to anger", but for them, they're just ignorant ;D

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take the first comment "just a monitor" or something like that, NO its not, its a complex networs of thousands of logic gates.

Just a monitor

[AFtExploision]

Ice don't feel bad the people who posted those comments are ignorant, some people say ignorance is bliss, I say, "Ignorance is a mental response to where a human ignores certain objects or emotions in their inviroment to cope with things ranging from jealousy to anger", but for them, they're just ignorant ;D

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take the first comment "just a monitor" or something like that, NO its not, its a complex networs of thousands of logic gates.

Just a monitor

Tis just a funny arangement of blawks it cant do nuthn

[Treesin]

You guys do realize that saying that Sethbling's stuff isn't impressive is the same thing as saying that your stuff isn't impressive, right? Things work both ways :P.

You can't get mad at young children for not understanding binary logic or CPU's. Anything on the subject will not make sense to them, and if it is not explained in clear terms, there is no way for them to understand that it is something more than "a monitor". Just like you will probably not understand something like "I just got a 12.52 single x-cross for the first F2L pair then a WV OLL skip into a T-perm", or be impressed by it, the same thing goes for saying "The computer implemented a sixteen function CLE ALU, two programmable displays, 128 bytes of program memory, and more".

People, especially children, will obviously prefer Sethbling's creations to yours, even yours took more time, or is more complicated, because

a) As I have already said, it is easier to understand what it is and what it does.

b) It is more functional than anything we make - they can download it and play around with it themselves, and he shows specific uses for his creations in contexts that they are familiar with (aka adventure maps). Nobody actually uses a CPU after they build it.

c) Sethbling's creations often have a lot more creativity behind them then ours do. I understand that making CPUs is difficult, and does require creativity, but it is not the same sort of thing. It is creativity within constraints, which is in many ways simpler than without. Building a CPU is essentially the same way every time. Of course, every CPU is very different from every other one, but the formula is still the same. Make an ALU, think up an instruction set, hook up some memory and a control panel, and go. The differences are major, but the end product is similar. There is no formula to Sethbling's creations. Sure they may require less knowledge and thought, but they are almost always completely novel ideas, that will actually be useful, or at least fun. Nobody wants to play with a CPU.

Ignorance is not inexcusable. I would hope people wouldn't criticize a child for looking at a calculus equation and calling it "Just a bunch of random symbols", because they simply should not be expected to understand this sort of math at that age. I would say getting mad at kids for not knowing about the underlying logic of computers, and being able to recognize components as what they are is just as, or even more silly than the calculus example. Not everyone can know everything.

There is no reason for people to expect a child to be able to distinguish one pile of redstone from another, and builds with command blocks are often much smaller, and do a lot of work. And, to be fair, command blocks do enable us to to pretty cool stuff, like wireless redstone. We don't use them, that's fine. Other people do, that's also fine.

Don't be elitists, guys. :P

[EDevil]

You guys do realize that saying that Sethbling's stuff isn't impressive is the same thing as saying that your stuff isn't impressive, right? Things work both ways .

You can't get mad at young children for not understanding binary logic or CPU's. Anything on the subject will not make sense to them, and if it is not explained in clear terms, there is no way for them to understand that it is something more than "a monitor". Just like you will probably not understand something like "I just got a 12.52 single x-cross for the first F2L pair then a WV OLL skip into a T-perm", or be impressed by it, the same thing goes for saying "The computer implemented a sixteen function CLE ALU, two programmable displays, 128 bytes of program memory, and more".

People, especially children, will obviously prefer Sethbling's creations to yours, even yours took more time, or is more complicated, because

a) As I have already said, it is easier to understand what it is and what it does.

b) It is more functional than anything we make - they can download it and play around with it themselves, and he shows specific uses for his creations in contexts that they are familiar with (aka adventure maps). Nobody actually uses a CPU after they build it.

c) Sethbling's creations often have a lot more creativity behind them then ours do. I understand that making CPUs is difficult, and does require creativity, but it is not the same sort of thing. It is creativity within constraints, which is in many ways simpler than without. Building a CPU is essentially the same way every time. Of course, every CPU is very different from every other one, but the formula is still the same. Make an ALU, think up an instruction set, hook up some memory and a control panel, and go. The differences are major, but the end product is similar. There is no formula to Sethbling's creations. Sure they may require less knowledge and thought, but they are almost always completely novel ideas, that will actually be useful, or at least fun. Nobody wants to play with a CPU.

Ignorance is not inexcusable. I would hope people wouldn't criticize a child for looking at a calculus equation and calling it "Just a bunch of random symbols", because they simply should not be expected to understand this sort of math at that age. I would say getting mad at kids for not knowing about the underlying logic of computers, and being able to recognize components as what they are is just as, or even more silly than the calculus example. Not everyone can know everything.

There is no reason for people to expect a child to be able to distinguish one pile of redstone from another, and builds with command blocks are often much smaller, and do a lot of work. And, to be fair, command blocks do enable us to to pretty cool stuff, like wireless redstone. We don't use them, that's fine. Other people do, that's also fine.

Don't be elitists, guys.

Very honest text you typed there. Problem is, is that you're in your own against 120 ORE-players that dislike Sethbling's fancy commandblock tricks. So it doesnt matter if you're correct or wrong, you're gonna lose it always. So yeah......

[Treesin]

*snip*

Very honest text you typed there. Problem is, is that you're in your own against 120 ORE-players that dislike Sethbling's fancy commandblock tricks. So it doesnt matter if you're correct or wrong, you're gonna lose it always. So yeah......

That shouldn't matter. I'm not trying to win an argument, I'm trying to show things from a different perspective. People will never change in an echo chamber.

[Chibill]

^ has a very good point.
we may make huge compucates builds but most normal people who play minecraft dont understand it answer they like to play maps not with compucated computers.

[EDevil]

I made a joke... Fcourse your argument matters.

[AFtExploision]

You guys do realize that saying that Sethbling's stuff isn't impressive is the same thing as saying that your stuff isn't impressive, right? Things work both ways .

You can't get mad at young children for not understanding binary logic or CPU's. Anything on the subject will not make sense to them, and if it is not explained in clear terms, there is no way for them to understand that it is something more than "a monitor". Just like you will probably not understand something like "I just got a 12.52 single x-cross for the first F2L pair then a WV OLL skip into a T-perm", or be impressed by it, the same thing goes for saying "The computer implemented a sixteen function CLE ALU, two programmable displays, 128 bytes of program memory, and more".

People, especially children, will obviously prefer Sethbling's creations to yours, even yours took more time, or is more complicated, because

a) As I have already said, it is easier to understand what it is and what it does.

b) It is more functional than anything we make - they can download it and play around with it themselves, and he shows specific uses for his creations in contexts that they are familiar with (aka adventure maps). Nobody actually uses a CPU after they build it.

c) Sethbling's creations often have a lot more creativity behind them then ours do. I understand that making CPUs is difficult, and does require creativity, but it is not the same sort of thing. It is creativity within constraints, which is in many ways simpler than without. Building a CPU is essentially the same way every time. Of course, every CPU is very different from every other one, but the formula is still the same. Make an ALU, think up an instruction set, hook up some memory and a control panel, and go. The differences are major, but the end product is similar. There is no formula to Sethbling's creations. Sure they may require less knowledge and thought, but they are almost always completely novel ideas, that will actually be useful, or at least fun. Nobody wants to play with a CPU.

Ignorance is not inexcusable. I would hope people wouldn't criticize a child for looking at a calculus equation and calling it "Just a bunch of random symbols", because they simply should not be expected to understand this sort of math at that age. I would say getting mad at kids for not knowing about the underlying logic of computers, and being able to recognize components as what they are is just as, or even more silly than the calculus example. Not everyone can know everything.

There is no reason for people to expect a child to be able to distinguish one pile of redstone from another, and builds with command blocks are often much smaller, and do a lot of work. And, to be fair, command blocks do enable us to to pretty cool stuff, like wireless redstone. We don't use them, that's fine. Other people do, that's also fine.

Don't be elitists, guys.

Yes. Two of us against ORE that feel this way/

[Xray_Doc]

You guys are missing the point. We're not putting down these people because they don't know as much as us, they're putting him down for not doing it in the "smartest way".

[Treesin]

You guys are missing the point. We're not putting down these people because they don't know as much as us, they're putting him down for not doing it in the "smartest way".

No, not really missing the point here.

First, out of the 3 "comments" that Ice posted, only one was talking about how it would be better to do this in another way. And to be fair, they are completely correct. It would totally be better (faster, more compact), if command blocks were used in it. There is no denying it. To someone who doesn't understand (there you have the link to all my other arguments) what we do here, it might make sense to get frustrated that people aren't doing things in the best possible way.

And never mind all of my previous statements - it really isn't ok for people to circle jerk about how much smarter and/or educated they are than little kids, or even other people in general. The fact remains that, until I commented, essentially the entire thread was calling non-ORE people "nubs", and not discussing anything else.

I would also like to actually see these comments, as I am pretty sure that a large part of them would be along the lines of "Wow that is amazing", and not actually criticizing the work.

[Guy1234567890]

How about, instead of calling what they are doing with command blocks "noobish," we just don't call it redstone.

[AFtExploision]

How about, instead of calling what they are doing with command blocks "noobish," we just don't call it redstone.

How about... we call what we do with CPU's and stuff digital redstone...because piston doors is 100% as valid redstone as a CLE ALU.

[Frontrider]

Command block require different knowledge then normal redstone.From 1.7 knowing commands not enough you need more inner knowledge.But thats not make you capable of making complicated redstone stuff.
But well, command blocks are more visual so they more popular.

[EDevil]

Command block require different knowledge then normal redstone.From 1.7 knowing commands not enough you need more inner knowledge.But thats not make you capable of making complicated redstone stuff.
But well, command blocks are more visual so they more popular.

100% agree on that one (command blocks are more visual)

[Frontrider]

Command block require different knowledge then normal redstone.From 1.7 knowing commands not enough you need more inner knowledge.But thats not make you capable of making complicated redstone stuff.
But well, command blocks are more visual so they more popular.(but still not too mutch people does it)
I never build ALUs before,but i worked with data stored on redstone, and also tried different "platforms".As i tried to explain it... Well,Theres only one player on our server who understands what i'm doing.

[Xray_Doc]

Knowing how to code isn't the same as knowing how to engineer.

[AFtExploision]

Command block require different knowledge then normal redstone.From 1.7 knowing commands not enough you need more inner knowledge.But thats not make you capable of making complicated redstone stuff.
But well, command blocks are more visual so they more popular.(but still not too mutch people does it)
I never build ALUs before,but i worked with data stored on redstone, and also tried different "platforms".As i tried to explain it... Well,Theres only one player on our server who understands what i'm doing.

You mistake "redstone" with "digital electronics." ANYTHING you can do with redstone is valid. A door on a lever is redstone. You are just being pompest, saying only YOUR redstone is redstone. Command Blocks are valid redstone - in fact, they actually require a knowledge of game mechanics instead of just a basic knowledge with taking irl designs and optimising them - CB logic is MC only, while our "redstone" has been layed out for us by past inventors such as Tesla. YES - anything involving redstone can be called redstone, CB;s are redstone, you are being pompest by claiming only your interpretation of redstone is true redstone - which is untrue, ignorant, and disrespectful to players who practice in other redstone mechanics.

[Null]

Well... Command Blocks Are Ok-Ish... But... The Pont Is... That They Are Not Survival Friendly... And You Need To Code Them... Not Make Them... (Same As Expression2 In WireMod... I Don't Use It... Because It Seems Cheat-Ish... Kinda...)

[Frontrider]

Command block require different knowledge then normal redstone.From 1.7 knowing commands not enough you need more inner knowledge.But thats not make you capable of making complicated redstone stuff.
But well, command blocks are more visual so they more popular.(but still not too mutch people does it)
I never build ALUs before,but i worked with data stored on redstone, and also tried different "platforms".As i tried to explain it... Well,Theres only one player on our server who understands what i'm doing.

You mistake "redstone" with "digital electronics." ANYTHING you can do with redstone is valid. A door on a lever is redstone. You are just being pompest, saying only YOUR redstone is redstone. Command Blocks are valid redstone - in fact, they actually require a knowledge of game mechanics instead of just a basic knowledge with taking irl designs and optimising them - CB logic is MC only, while our "redstone" has been layed out for us by past inventors such as Tesla. YES - anything involving redstone can be called redstone, CB;s are redstone, you are being pompest by claiming only your interpretation of redstone is true redstone - which is untrue, ignorant, and disrespectful to players who practice in other redstone mechanics.

In fact, really familiar with command blocks and nbt tags, so i know what im talking abaut. Right now, command blocks can go on their own with setblock, whitout any redstone built.
And you gonna call spawners to be redstone as well?
What digital redstone is? I cant understand that , oktal and hex systems going well.I hope my computer will be finished soon.
Well almost forgotystems made with cbs are called "game mechanics".

[AFtExploision]

Command block require different knowledge then normal redstone.From 1.7 knowing commands not enough you need more inner knowledge.But thats not make you capable of making complicated redstone stuff.
But well, command blocks are more visual so they more popular.(but still not too mutch people does it)
I never build ALUs before,but i worked with data stored on redstone, and also tried different "platforms".As i tried to explain it... Well,Theres only one player on our server who understands what i'm doing.

You mistake "redstone" with "digital electronics." ANYTHING you can do with redstone is valid. A door on a lever is redstone. You are just being pompest, saying only YOUR redstone is redstone. Command Blocks are valid redstone - in fact, they actually require a knowledge of game mechanics instead of just a basic knowledge with taking irl designs and optimising them - CB logic is MC only, while our "redstone" has been layed out for us by past inventors such as Tesla. YES - anything involving redstone can be called redstone, CB;s are redstone, you are being pompest by claiming only your interpretation of redstone is true redstone - which is untrue, ignorant, and disrespectful to players who practice in other redstone mechanics.

In fact, really familiar with command blocks and nbt tags, so i know what im talking abaut. Right now, command blocks can go on their own with setblock, whitout any redstone built.
And you gonna call spawners to be redstone as well?
What digital redstone is? I cant understand that , oktal and hex systems going well.I hope my computer will be finished soon.
Well almost forgotystems made with cbs are called "game mechanics".

Nope. It uses any redstone devices (levers, ect.) to activate the CB's. Completely redstone.

[Iceglade]

This is still getting controversy? I was bitter when I posted this, don't blow it up to something larger than it is.

[Frontrider]

Nope. It uses any redstone devices (levers, ect.) to activate the CB's. Completely redstone.

They not ment to be the part of the redstone mechanic. They triggered by it, because theres simply noting else in the game to do that.

[Iceglade]

Oh and also, what if I told you I use command blocks now and again? They're interesting to use when making little concepts like this, my entire point is that they shouldn't be applied to logical redstone.

What pisses me off here is not command blocks, or the very fact that people use them. I just find it kind of funny that, even at the most very basic level, (a lot of redstone), people can't even see that there's a computer in front of their eyes and instead start moaning for their overlords.

That didn't happen a year ago.

And also... keep in mind that doing youtube and showcasing to more than 20 people is hard. It's not easy to read those 6-7 hate comments when they're there. It seems like the kind of thing you'd just pass by but it's really not. In fact, those comments led to me making a reddit post that pretty much brought down command blocks a bit in /r/redstone, etc. You overreact, but I still agree with what I initially posted here. They're two seperate things. Command blocks was Mojang's attempt to keep redstone relevant when it still was anyway.

[Neogreenyew]

I'd be fine with command blocks being used for instant bussing. But if you use command blocks in place of logic, then it kinda defeats the point of working hard on these machines.