Quote:Sethbling could do this with one command block!

(10-12-2013, 02:32 PM)Xray_Doc Wrote: Or people who use RedPower.

(12-06-2013, 05:48 PM)qwerasd205 Wrote: Ice don't feel bad the people who posted those comments are ignorant, some people say ignorance is bliss, I say, "Ignorance is a mental response to where a human ignores certain objects or emotions in their inviroment to cope with things ranging from jealousy to anger", but for them, they're just ignorant ;D

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take the first comment "just a monitor" or something like that, NO its not, its a complex networs of thousands of logic gates.

(12-06-2013, 08:32 PM)EvilDevil59NL Wrote:

(12-06-2013, 05:48 PM)qwerasd205 Wrote: Ice don't feel bad the people who posted those comments are ignorant, some people say ignorance is bliss, I say, "Ignorance is a mental response to where a human ignores certain objects or emotions in their inviroment to cope with things ranging from jealousy to anger", but for them, they're just ignorant ;D

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take the first comment "just a monitor" or something like that, NO its not, its a complex networs of thousands of logic gates.

Just a monitor

(12-06-2013, 11:14 PM)Treesin Wrote: You guys do realize that saying that Sethbling's stuff isn't impressive is the same thing as saying that your stuff isn't impressive, right? Things work both ways .

You can't get mad at young children for not understanding binary logic or CPU's. Anything on the subject will not make sense to them, and if it is not explained in clear terms, there is no way for them to understand that it is something more than "a monitor". Just like you will probably not understand something like "I just got a 12.52 single x-cross for the first F2L pair then a WV OLL skip into a T-perm", or be impressed by it, the same thing goes for saying "The computer implemented a sixteen function CLE ALU, two programmable displays, 128 bytes of program memory, and more".

People, especially children, will obviously prefer Sethbling's creations to yours, even yours took more time, or is more complicated, because

a) As I have already said, it is easier to understand what it is and what it does.

b) It is more functional than anything we make - they can download it and play around with it themselves, and he shows specific uses for his creations in contexts that they are familiar with (aka adventure maps). Nobody actually uses a CPU after they build it.

c) Sethbling's creations often have a lot more creativity behind them then ours do. I understand that making CPUs is difficult, and does require creativity, but it is not the same sort of thing. It is creativity within constraints, which is in many ways simpler than without. Building a CPU is essentially the same way every time. Of course, every CPU is very different from every other one, but the formula is still the same. Make an ALU, think up an instruction set, hook up some memory and a control panel, and go. The differences are major, but the end product is similar. There is no formula to Sethbling's creations. Sure they may require less knowledge and thought, but they are almost always completely novel ideas, that will actually be useful, or at least fun. Nobody wants to play with a CPU.

Ignorance is not inexcusable. I would hope people wouldn't criticize a child for looking at a calculus equation and calling it "Just a bunch of random symbols", because they simply should not be expected to understand this sort of math at that age. I would say getting mad at kids for not knowing about the underlying logic of computers, and being able to recognize components as what they are is just as, or even more silly than the calculus example. Not everyone can know everything.

There is no reason for people to expect a child to be able to distinguish one pile of redstone from another, and builds with command blocks are often much smaller, and do a lot of work. And, to be fair, command blocks do enable us to to pretty cool stuff, like wireless redstone. We don't use them, that's fine. Other people do, that's also fine.

Don't be elitists, guys.

(12-06-2013, 11:32 PM)EvilDevil59NL Wrote:

(12-06-2013, 11:14 PM)Treesin Wrote: *snip*

Very honest text you typed there. Problem is, is that you're in your own against 120 ORE-players that dislike Sethbling's fancy commandblock tricks. So it doesnt matter if you're correct or wrong, you're gonna lose it always. So yeah......

(12-06-2013, 11:14 PM)Treesin Wrote: You guys do realize that saying that Sethbling's stuff isn't impressive is the same thing as saying that your stuff isn't impressive, right? Things work both ways .

You can't get mad at young children for not understanding binary logic or CPU's. Anything on the subject will not make sense to them, and if it is not explained in clear terms, there is no way for them to understand that it is something more than "a monitor". Just like you will probably not understand something like "I just got a 12.52 single x-cross for the first F2L pair then a WV OLL skip into a T-perm", or be impressed by it, the same thing goes for saying "The computer implemented a sixteen function CLE ALU, two programmable displays, 128 bytes of program memory, and more".

People, especially children, will obviously prefer Sethbling's creations to yours, even yours took more time, or is more complicated, because

a) As I have already said, it is easier to understand what it is and what it does.

b) It is more functional than anything we make - they can download it and play around with it themselves, and he shows specific uses for his creations in contexts that they are familiar with (aka adventure maps). Nobody actually uses a CPU after they build it.

c) Sethbling's creations often have a lot more creativity behind them then ours do. I understand that making CPUs is difficult, and does require creativity, but it is not the same sort of thing. It is creativity within constraints, which is in many ways simpler than without. Building a CPU is essentially the same way every time. Of course, every CPU is very different from every other one, but the formula is still the same. Make an ALU, think up an instruction set, hook up some memory and a control panel, and go. The differences are major, but the end product is similar. There is no formula to Sethbling's creations. Sure they may require less knowledge and thought, but they are almost always completely novel ideas, that will actually be useful, or at least fun. Nobody wants to play with a CPU.

Ignorance is not inexcusable. I would hope people wouldn't criticize a child for looking at a calculus equation and calling it "Just a bunch of random symbols", because they simply should not be expected to understand this sort of math at that age. I would say getting mad at kids for not knowing about the underlying logic of computers, and being able to recognize components as what they are is just as, or even more silly than the calculus example. Not everyone can know everything.

There is no reason for people to expect a child to be able to distinguish one pile of redstone from another, and builds with command blocks are often much smaller, and do a lot of work. And, to be fair, command blocks do enable us to to pretty cool stuff, like wireless redstone. We don't use them, that's fine. Other people do, that's also fine.

Don't be elitists, guys.

(12-07-2013, 06:35 PM)Xray_Doc Wrote: You guys are missing the point. We're not putting down these people because they don't know as much as us, they're putting him down for not doing it in the "smartest way".

(12-08-2013, 03:08 AM)Guy1234567890 Wrote: How about, instead of calling what they are doing with command blocks "noobish," we just don't call it redstone.

(12-16-2013, 08:35 AM)Frontrider Wrote: Command block require different knowledge then normal redstone.From 1.7 knowing commands not enough you need more inner knowledge.But thats not make you capable of making complicated redstone stuff.
But well, command blocks are more visual so they more popular.

(12-16-2013, 09:17 AM)Frontrider Wrote: Command block require different knowledge then normal redstone.From 1.7 knowing commands not enough you need more inner knowledge.But thats not make you capable of making complicated redstone stuff.
But well, command blocks are more visual so they more popular.(but still not too mutch people does it)
I never build ALUs before,but i worked with data stored on redstone, and also tried different "platforms".As i tried to explain it... Well,Theres only one player on our server who understands what i'm doing.

(12-16-2013, 02:15 PM)AFtExploision Wrote:

(12-16-2013, 09:17 AM)Frontrider Wrote: Command block require different knowledge then normal redstone.From 1.7 knowing commands not enough you need more inner knowledge.But thats not make you capable of making complicated redstone stuff.
But well, command blocks are more visual so they more popular.(but still not too mutch people does it)
I never build ALUs before,but i worked with data stored on redstone, and also tried different "platforms".As i tried to explain it... Well,Theres only one player on our server who understands what i'm doing.

You mistake "redstone" with "digital electronics." ANYTHING you can do with redstone is valid. A door on a lever is redstone. You are just being pompest, saying only YOUR redstone is redstone. Command Blocks are valid redstone - in fact, they actually require a knowledge of game mechanics instead of just a basic knowledge with taking irl designs and optimising them - CB logic is MC only, while our "redstone" has been layed out for us by past inventors such as Tesla. YES - anything involving redstone can be called redstone, CB;s are redstone, you are being pompest by claiming only your interpretation of redstone is true redstone - which is untrue, ignorant, and disrespectful to players who practice in other redstone mechanics.

(12-25-2013, 09:39 PM)Frontrider Wrote:

(12-16-2013, 02:15 PM)AFtExploision Wrote:

(12-16-2013, 09:17 AM)Frontrider Wrote: Command block require different knowledge then normal redstone.From 1.7 knowing commands not enough you need more inner knowledge.But thats not make you capable of making complicated redstone stuff.
But well, command blocks are more visual so they more popular.(but still not too mutch people does it)
I never build ALUs before,but i worked with data stored on redstone, and also tried different "platforms".As i tried to explain it... Well,Theres only one player on our server who understands what i'm doing.

You mistake "redstone" with "digital electronics." ANYTHING you can do with redstone is valid. A door on a lever is redstone. You are just being pompest, saying only YOUR redstone is redstone. Command Blocks are valid redstone - in fact, they actually require a knowledge of game mechanics instead of just a basic knowledge with taking irl designs and optimising them - CB logic is MC only, while our "redstone" has been layed out for us by past inventors such as Tesla. YES - anything involving redstone can be called redstone, CB;s are redstone, you are being pompest by claiming only your interpretation of redstone is true redstone - which is untrue, ignorant, and disrespectful to players who practice in other redstone mechanics.

In fact, really familiar with command blocks and nbt tags, so i know what im talking abaut. Right now, command blocks can go on their own with setblock, whitout any redstone built.
And you gonna call spawners to be redstone as well?
What digital redstone is? I cant understand that , oktal and hex systems going well.I hope my computer will be finished soon.
Well almost forgotystems made with cbs are called "game mechanics".

(12-25-2013, 11:39 PM)AFtExploision Wrote:

(12-25-2013, 09:39 PM)Frontrider Wrote:

(12-16-2013, 02:15 PM)AFtExploision Wrote:

(12-16-2013, 09:17 AM)Frontrider Wrote:

Nope. It uses any redstone devices (levers, ect.) to activate the CB's. Completely redstone.