07-08-2016, 10:56 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-08-2016, 11:57 PM by PNWMan.
Edit Reason: Added a link to a thread I made.
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Nickster post #5: "The Staff team, as always, do not want the trials to be much easier than what we have set them. We still give our members highly trusted permissions." -I'm glad to hear this and that you are keeping this in mind.
Optimo post #6: " I think the test-givers need some kind of syllabus to select from to ask trialing students to demonstrate." -I do think this might be a good idea to keep the staff fair and prepared to trial students.
"There are some that just aren't good test takers, but can demonstrate their understanding in different ways." "If the test giver could paste a schema of some test build that's missing a few key components; ask the student to assess the problem and prescribe or build a solution." -I agree that there should be a couple different ways to trial somebody, depending on their strengths. Troubleshooting is an extremely important skill to learn; all to often students (and even builders) will give up when something doesn't work, and they hardly look into what is causing it and what some solutions might be. Of course, one needs a fairly complete knowledge of whatever is not working properly to be able to troubleshoot it and figure out what is wrong.
"Maybe there's an opportunity to send newcomers to a F.a.q or post that makes this clearer" -I do think that the guides need some reform, instead of just telling newcomers how to apply for whatever server, there needs to be some emphasis on learning and some good information about the trial process.
Newomaster post #7: "I disagree with the idea that removing a set standard would make the trial somehow easier to pass. Allowing someone to know the exact expectations... increases their capacity to prepare a static rehearsed trial entry, requiring less knowledge and experience than someone who is genuinely capable..." -I suppose I do agree with this statement, that maybe removing some standards on the trial will actually cause Testificates to be more knowledgeable and creative.
"In this case, the school server is more useful than ever..." -While it would be nice if this were true, the only thing getting reformed here so far is the trial system. Our education system is stuck at the level it had declined to a year or two ago, which is sadly pitiful. I appreciate all that builders and teachers do to teach students, but our education system just sucks. There's this kind of paradox where there are so many great tutorial videos, but many are outdated (especially ones about old logic designs) and students want invididualized (or maybe with a few other students) lessons so they can have questions answered. Our lack of an education system forces students to go learn on their own, which is kind of a good thing because it means more self-motivated people, but at the same time many people just don't want to bother learning all of this complex stuff on their own- they don't know where to start!
I said I opposed this in my first post, but I would be open to this trial reform- As long as we update the guides and reform our education system. Those are necessary in order for newcomers, students, and testificates to not only understand, but be prepared for this kind of reformed trial. I am happy to see progress in ORE because I think it is a great server with a positive community.
As for education reforms, maybe I'll make a post regarding what the situation is now and how it could be improved, especially as one who has been around long enough to see how our education system has declined and one who (while active on ORE) has been a part of teaching students. EDIT: Here's the link to a thread I made about Our Education System: https://forum.openredstone.org/showthread.php?tid=10263
Optimo post #6: " I think the test-givers need some kind of syllabus to select from to ask trialing students to demonstrate." -I do think this might be a good idea to keep the staff fair and prepared to trial students.
"There are some that just aren't good test takers, but can demonstrate their understanding in different ways." "If the test giver could paste a schema of some test build that's missing a few key components; ask the student to assess the problem and prescribe or build a solution." -I agree that there should be a couple different ways to trial somebody, depending on their strengths. Troubleshooting is an extremely important skill to learn; all to often students (and even builders) will give up when something doesn't work, and they hardly look into what is causing it and what some solutions might be. Of course, one needs a fairly complete knowledge of whatever is not working properly to be able to troubleshoot it and figure out what is wrong.
"Maybe there's an opportunity to send newcomers to a F.a.q or post that makes this clearer" -I do think that the guides need some reform, instead of just telling newcomers how to apply for whatever server, there needs to be some emphasis on learning and some good information about the trial process.
Newomaster post #7: "I disagree with the idea that removing a set standard would make the trial somehow easier to pass. Allowing someone to know the exact expectations... increases their capacity to prepare a static rehearsed trial entry, requiring less knowledge and experience than someone who is genuinely capable..." -I suppose I do agree with this statement, that maybe removing some standards on the trial will actually cause Testificates to be more knowledgeable and creative.
"In this case, the school server is more useful than ever..." -While it would be nice if this were true, the only thing getting reformed here so far is the trial system. Our education system is stuck at the level it had declined to a year or two ago, which is sadly pitiful. I appreciate all that builders and teachers do to teach students, but our education system just sucks. There's this kind of paradox where there are so many great tutorial videos, but many are outdated (especially ones about old logic designs) and students want invididualized (or maybe with a few other students) lessons so they can have questions answered. Our lack of an education system forces students to go learn on their own, which is kind of a good thing because it means more self-motivated people, but at the same time many people just don't want to bother learning all of this complex stuff on their own- they don't know where to start!
I said I opposed this in my first post, but I would be open to this trial reform- As long as we update the guides and reform our education system. Those are necessary in order for newcomers, students, and testificates to not only understand, but be prepared for this kind of reformed trial. I am happy to see progress in ORE because I think it is a great server with a positive community.
As for education reforms, maybe I'll make a post regarding what the situation is now and how it could be improved, especially as one who has been around long enough to see how our education system has declined and one who (while active on ORE) has been a part of teaching students. EDIT: Here's the link to a thread I made about Our Education System: https://forum.openredstone.org/showthread.php?tid=10263