(01-19-2014, 03:50 PM)Iceglade Wrote: I will just say that stricter rules on chat (or anything similar) is a terrible idea. We're a server built on trust, and that's what sets us apart from redstoner.com and such.

Personally, I think having a more heavily weighted election (no self-nomination?) is the best course of action. We are, as you said, low on active staff, and I think electing one or maybe two really dedicated players could really make a difference.

(01-19-2014, 06:35 PM)AFtExploision Wrote: I agree with the need for a little stricter control on chat (Hypocritical, I know). But honestly, the only real "immature" people on the server I know of is Cut, dark, Xray_Doc (sometimes), Brit (again sometimes), and myself.

Most staff members are mature, not just "one." I don't know how things are on the school server, but on Build most of the time this doesn't happen. Honestly, I haven't talked to you recently, but I don't think you should be staff if you make a post attacking the mostly mature community and staff claiming it is for the "greater good" if you will, that is not how things are done here.

Most staff are mature, I can only think of ONE staff that would do that, and yes, inactive staff need to be removed. (Like Virt, why is he even staff?) Also, please indent your paragraphs with five spaces like I have done, it makes it so much more professional looking and easier to read than a wall of text.

EDIT: Sorry about the last line, didn't realize that the posts remove excess spaces. But at least put an empty line, it still makes a difference.

EDIT2: Again, I forgot to state something. I still see plenty of people doing large redstone builds and others giving constructive criticism. It is about equal to when I first joined as a visitor around May 2013. In fact, the server has basically remained unchanged since then, except for more members and staff. There was PLENTY of immaturity back then, equal to what it is now.

(01-19-2014, 08:36 PM)Epic_SkyPilot Wrote:

(01-19-2014, 06:35 PM)AFtExploision Wrote: I agree with the need for a little stricter control on chat (Hypocritical, I know). But honestly, the only real "immature" people on the server I know of is Cut, dark, Xray_Doc (sometimes), Brit (again sometimes), and myself.

Most staff members are mature, not just "one." I don't know how things are on the school server, but on Build most of the time this doesn't happen. Honestly, I haven't talked to you recently, but I don't think you should be staff if you make a post attacking the mostly mature community and staff claiming it is for the "greater good" if you will, that is not how things are done here.

Most staff are mature, I can only think of ONE staff that would do that, and yes, inactive staff need to be removed. (Like Virt, why is he even staff?) Also, please indent your paragraphs with five spaces like I have done, it makes it so much more professional looking and easier to read than a wall of text.

EDIT: Sorry about the last line, didn't realize that the posts remove excess spaces. But at least put an empty line, it still makes a difference.

EDIT2: Again, I forgot to state something. I still see plenty of people doing large redstone builds and others giving constructive criticism. It is about equal to when I first joined as a visitor around May 2013. In fact, the server has basically remained unchanged since then, except for more members and staff. There was PLENTY of immaturity back then, equal to what it is now.

Yeah I know I tried to indent, but it deleted my spaces, I'll do empty lines from now on. But back on topic, I haven't directly witnessed redstone becoming a less prominent part on our server. I was just having a conversation with a staff member and he pointed that out to me. He said people are less focused on redstone compared to how it was earlier. I realized that was true to some extent, but that original thought wasn't my own.

Anyway, that's not important. Maybe this post came out as me attacking people such as red, proper, newo, dcen, and other staff members that do their job amazingly well. I just have a lot of anger because there's no denying I've been treated like shit from a wide variety of people on the server recently. I'm really aggravated at the people I went to, who didn't do a damn thing about it. But even more so than that, I'm furious as the certain staff member who told me to ignore it, just because he didn't want to do his job. Cut was harassing me right in front of him, and nothing was even said at the least.

I'm not attacking staff as a whole, but what I am saying is I think people see me as a bad member on this server, and I have no idea why. I've tried to be modest up until now, but this constant misunderstanding of me is just driving me up the walls, so I'm just gonna come right out and way it:

I am one of the ONLY dedicated teachers on this server. The only others I can think of are ctjet, coolt, and snug (although not so much recently) Like ice posted earlier, there is accelerated learning going on at the school. What he doesn't realize is that is VERY much because of me. I'm building an entire school campus on my plot, completely by myself so students can learn better. I do all this, and ice just credits the recently skyrocketing learning on the school server to the community. I'm working so DAMN hard on the school, and ice doesn't even acknowledge that.

I don't know what to do at this point. It honestly hurts that so many oppose me being staff. I'm hardly on the build server anymore because I'm just constantly harrassed. I hope at least one person can feel my pain here. I'm desperately trying to better the community, but people like ice and embi just see me as complaining about random things.

That is not the case...

(01-19-2014, 11:49 AM)Iceglade Wrote: I disagree as much as I agree. First of all, the server certainly has its changed side. But we're not done yet. I still see people all the time working on big projects, helping each other with redstone...

The community has not changed a bit. Not at all. We're still the people we were, and it's only a few individuals that are changing. We get five to ten new visitors every day, and we're generally at this point the second, third MOST respected redstone server out there. More learning happens on school than in many real life classrooms, and our innovation levels are peaking.

As for administration, I'm honestly not sure. I wouldn't be wholly opposed to giving Epic staff, however another option is to have another election, with HEAVY reviewing of each nominee so as to elect a staff or two that is active and truly cares for the community, which Epic does and I think a few others do as well.

But basically I'm saying, don't give up! We're growing as much as we're falling... and I hope that some administrative change could happen and bring us out of this small ditch.

P.S. I just thought of something... remember, don't let happenings on a Minecraft server change you as a person. We are so much more, but in the end we're less important than real life and our own true personalities.

(01-19-2014, 02:45 PM)redstonewarrior Wrote: ORE is a community, with a self elected staff group with the resources and knowhow to host and moderate a few "official ORE" services. I'd say ORE's fine, that you'd like staff to clean up chat, that you'd like cut banned (probable future), and would like a staff reboot.

Staff members get lazy. It's part of the job, and it happens to even the most fervent of newcomers. Although they have moderation abilities, they have them every hour of day, every day of the year, and so on. You get lazy. It's the same old ORE chat, and you can lose the balance between mod and friend. Staff inactivity was one of the battles we had to fight on the RDF, but all in all, ORE's structured differently (I may post an explanation on how inactivity is a problem, but is less deadly here.) When staff as a whole gets lazy, that is when applications build up, server changes get queued, and chat goes unmoderated. This is the majority of the problem right now. Staff grew to accommodate the winter break's member onslaught, and now has to shrink (dropping inactive members) back to the school season skeleton crew. Beyond that, it needs to add more active members of the community, to keep around the clock staff availability feasible.
I'd wholeheartedly recommend any seemly mature, active, and willing member of the community to staff, but I recommend they learn more about staff before charging in. ORE's staff was put together to service the ORE community, specifically by maintaining and moderating the services, and by picking directions for the server to go in.
For cut, he has been given multiple opportunities to redeem himself, and probably won't get another one. I understand your disappointment at some staff member's response. Before you get out your pitchfork and torch, consider what I said above. We're currently dealing with cut's case, though I'm not sure we're going to enforce stricter rules on chat in general.

Remember, ORE's staff only serves ORE. We set up and maintain servers and beg around for servertime. (ORE's servers are all hosted by staff members currently, but there is no rule saying this must be so. We also maintain the servers, so hosts don't need to worry themselves.) If someone wants to set up a server, we help them. If anyone's interested in, say, a chat group, we help them connect it to OREServerChat. I understand your frustrations, but be kind. Volunteers get busy, and staff's shrinking for the season.

Quick edit:
This post is not a final answer, nor does it explain what we're currently doing. I'd recommend some further conversation.

(01-19-2014, 02:45 PM)redstonewarrior Wrote: ORE is a community, with a self elected staff group with the resources and knowhow to host and moderate a few "official ORE" services. I'd say ORE's fine, that you'd like staff to clean up chat, that you'd like cut banned (probable future), and would like a staff reboot.

Staff members get lazy. It's part of the job, and it happens to even the most fervent of newcomers. Although they have moderation abilities, they have them every hour of day, every day of the year, and so on. You get lazy. It's the same old ORE chat, and you can lose the balance between mod and friend. Staff inactivity was one of the battles we had to fight on the RDF, but all in all, ORE's structured differently (I may post an explanation on how inactivity is a problem, but is less deadly here.) When staff as a whole gets lazy, that is when applications build up, server changes get queued, and chat goes unmoderated. This is the majority of the problem right now. Staff grew to accommodate the winter break's member onslaught, and now has to shrink (dropping inactive members) back to the school season skeleton crew. Beyond that, it needs to add more active members of the community, to keep around the clock staff availability feasible.
I'd wholeheartedly recommend any seemly mature, active, and willing member of the community to staff, but I recommend they learn more about staff before charging in. ORE's staff was put together to service the ORE community, specifically by maintaining and moderating the services, and by picking directions for the server to go in.
For cut, he has been given multiple opportunities to redeem himself, and probably won't get another one. I understand your disappointment at some staff member's response. Before you get out your pitchfork and torch, consider what I said above. We're currently dealing with cut's case, though I'm not sure we're going to enforce stricter rules on chat in general.

Remember, ORE's staff only serves ORE. We set up and maintain servers and beg around for servertime. (ORE's servers are all hosted by staff members currently, but there is no rule saying this must be so. We also maintain the servers, so hosts don't need to worry themselves.) If someone wants to set up a server, we help them. If anyone's interested in, say, a chat group, we help them connect it to OREServerChat. I understand your frustrations, but be kind. Volunteers get busy, and staff's shrinking for the season.

Quick edit:
This post is not a final answer, nor does it explain what we're currently doing. I'd recommend some further conversation.

(01-19-2014, 10:48 PM)Iceglade Wrote: I don't want to make any synopsis, as potentially misrepresenting opinions isn't something I do. <-<-

EDIT: I feel like elaborating before I just lie back so here we go.

A. QUOTE ME (Iceglade): "I'm NOT wholly opposed to giving Epic staff, however another possible course is an election" Please read the critical parts of a post before you respond...

B. When did I ever, ever, ever, ever, EVERR discredit what you've been doing on school? You are a part of this community, and I respect what you've been doing! But you are not the only teacher! When trying to make an argument that you're being discredited, don't discredit an ENTIRE COMMUNITY of teachers in the process.

I'm sorry for not sugarcoating, that's my view, goodbye.

(01-19-2014, 10:48 PM)Iceglade Wrote: I don't want to make any synopsis, as potentially misrepresenting opinions isn't something I do. <-<-

EDIT: I feel like elaborating before I just lie back so here we go.

A. QUOTE ME (Iceglade): "I'm NOT wholly opposed to giving Epic staff, however another possible course is an election" Please read the critical parts of a post before you respond...

B. When did I ever, ever, ever, ever, EVERR discredit what you've been doing on school? You are a part of this community, and I respect what you've been doing! But you are not the only teacher! When trying to make an argument that you're being discredited, don't discredit an ENTIRE COMMUNITY of teachers in the process.

I'm sorry for not sugarcoating, that's my view, goodbye.

(01-20-2014, 07:12 AM)Epic_SkyPilot Wrote:

(01-19-2014, 10:48 PM)Iceglade Wrote: I don't want to make any synopsis, as potentially misrepresenting opinions isn't something I do. <-<-

EDIT: I feel like elaborating before I just lie back so here we go.

A. QUOTE ME (Iceglade): "I'm NOT wholly opposed to giving Epic staff, however another possible course is an election" Please read the critical parts of a post before you respond...

B. When did I ever, ever, ever, ever, EVERR discredit what you've been doing on school? You are a part of this community, and I respect what you've been doing! But you are not the only teacher! When trying to make an argument that you're being discredited, don't discredit an ENTIRE COMMUNITY of teachers in the process.

I'm sorry for not sugarcoating, that's my view, goodbye.

My sincerest apologies ice, I just read that wrong. I was upset while I was reading it. Again, I'm really sorry :/ now that I know what you said, I really appreciate the reply

(01-20-2014, 11:31 AM)Iceglade Wrote: Haha, thanks so much. I really hate being hostile like that.

(05-11-2015, 01:19 PM)LordDecapo Wrote: Slugdude

(05-27-2015, 01:47 PM)Chibill Wrote: If being kicked can crash your computer you have a problem....

(05-27-2015, 01:30 PM)Hastumer Wrote: Wow. Just... Wow. You have my respect. I haven't seen you (probably because I live in germany), but I've got a similar problem. Voltz is VERY disrespectful and shouldn't be Moderator. I won't say anything to the slug-Voltz thing. We had a discussion this morning about my music bot. I was disrespectful, too, and I want to excuse myself. But what Voltz did, is not very appropriate for staff. I asked him a question several times, he didn't answered at all, kicked me and crashed my computer with it, because my computer fucks up a bit at the moment. Some time later I came online to talk to Voltz again and said to him (not exact quote): "I think you should excuse yourself for crashing my computer." Answer: "No, I shouldn't, everything was your fault." (Again, not exact quote) YAAAAAAAAY Staff is being disrespectful! Woooo! We like that much! NOT.

(05-11-2015, 01:19 PM)LordDecapo Wrote: ORE always dies at this time of the year, people are catching up on procrastinated school work. And studying for exams.
Same thing happened last year. Summer rolls around soon and I know of a good amount of people who will be returning.
Like Slugdude for example who plans to spend good time on IntOREnet this summer.

I personally see Magic, Tuchi, and I consistently working on our big projects. (DIO3, RALPH, IizR15. Respectively).
I agree with the line that the forums and big project activity has dropped recently, but I have also noticed a surge of students (lacking teachers recently, and on that note, I will give people teacher trials ASAP if they apply, WE NEED AND WANT YOU .

I forsee this summer being a very productive and educational summer for the sever as a whole.

ORE is a unique entity. We actually learn new things in our spare time, more advanced then most people do, and do so in a jovial community setting. This is something I hope will never change. As an Admin (and one of the most active people on the server) I will do my best to keep it that way.

Also, as I read back through this and see dates, I have noticed that this is predominantly before the last election I held. Since then, Nickster has addressed many of these issues (thanks!) aswell as helped (well did most of the work) to bring us to 1.8.3. I hope his work pays off this summer and we see more students come up to the ranks of Builder and join in the bigger projects. And I hope to also see some returning Builders start some of there own project or teach those on school.

I personally wish I was better at the programming and teaching aspects of being and Admin, I intend to work on this.. but if these complaints persist or you have any other comments/questions/complaints... feel free to PM me or chat with me in game and I will do my best to help or direct you to someone who can help better.

(05-11-2015, 01:19 PM)LordDecapo Wrote: ORE always dies at this time of the year, people are catching up on procrastinated school work. And studying for exams.
Same thing happened last year. Summer rolls around soon and I know of a good amount of people who will be returning.
Like Slugdude for example who plans to spend good time on IntOREnet this summer.

I personally see Magic, Tuchi, and I consistently working on our big projects. (DIO3, RALPH, IizR15. Respectively).
I agree with the line that the forums and big project activity has dropped recently, but I have also noticed a surge of students (lacking teachers recently, and on that note, I will give people teacher trials ASAP if they apply, WE NEED AND WANT YOU .

I forsee this summer being a very productive and educational summer for the sever as a whole.

ORE is a unique entity. We actually learn new things in our spare time, more advanced then most people do, and do so in a jovial community setting. This is something I hope will never change. As an Admin (and one of the most active people on the server) I will do my best to keep it that way.

Also, as I read back through this and see dates, I have noticed that this is predominantly before the last election I held. Since then, Nickster has addressed many of these issues (thanks!) aswell as helped (well did most of the work) to bring us to 1.8.3. I hope his work pays off this summer and we see more students come up to the ranks of Builder and join in the bigger projects. And I hope to also see some returning Builders start some of there own project or teach those on school.

I personally wish I was better at the programming and teaching aspects of being and Admin, I intend to work on this.. but if these complaints persist or you have any other comments/questions/complaints... feel free to PM me or chat with me in game and I will do my best to help or direct you to someone who can help better.

(10-22-2015, 10:39 PM)JeremyG Wrote: Nice bump m8