TRUE Gate - Printable Version

TRUE Gate - Printable Version

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TRUE Gate - EDevil - 01-16-2014

Because everyone is making threads about creations & bumping them every 4 minutes, i decided to make one myself.

So the idea is this, TRUE Gate in MC. I'm not sure if this has been done before, but i think i'll be the very first redstoner to make an in-progress log about it. Good enough for me.

So, before making a creation, i always start out with testing my project in logism. And to be honest, it doesnt seem to be looking good;

I cant get the output on, which is supposed to happen with a TRUE gate. However, i wont give up that easily. Even though Logism is giving me false results, i WILL build the TRUE gate in mc. I'll keep you guys up-to date, and post progress in this thread.

(05-11-2014, 03:09 PM)EDevil Wrote: UPDATE!

I've been less active-ish with this due to some other projects (making stupid ALU's, etc.), but im 100% back!

Progress;

As you can see, the base is already build. I opted to go with a comparator based TRUE gates. Solid state has proven me many times of its reliability, and because i used the comparator variant of the gate, you could even pipeline through this gate at 2 ticks!

Now its only handeling the inputs and output. More progress updates will follow!

RE: TRUE Gate - Cutlassw30 - 01-16-2014

(01-16-2014, 11:33 AM)EvilDevil59NL Wrote: Because everyone is making threads about creations & bumping them every 4 minutes, i decided to make one myself.

So the idea is this, TRUE Gate in MC. I'm not sure if this has been done before, but i think i'll be the very first redstoner to make an in-progress log about it. Good enough for me.

So, before making a creation, i always start out with testing my project in logism. And to be honest, it doesnt seem to be looking good;

I cant get the output on, which is supposed to happen with a TRUE gate. However, i wont give up that easily. Even though Logism is giving me false results, i WILL build the TRUE gate in mc. I'll keep you guys up-to date, and post progress in this thread.

Add pull down resistors on the "inputs" to stop floating values.

RE: TRUE Gate - Halflife390 - 01-16-2014

I true gate has its output on no matter what the input is right? Then what's wrong with just having a torch and the inputs not going it to it?

RE: TRUE Gate - EDevil - 01-16-2014

(01-16-2014, 03:29 PM)Halflife390 Wrote: I true gate has its output on no matter what the input is right? Then what's wrong with just having a torch and the inputs not going it to it?

YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE POWER OF THE TRUE GATE >:{O

RE: TRUE Gate - Guy1234567890 - 01-16-2014

Clearly some level of abstraction is causing the argument to be lost in the vastness of redstone. The transcendence of TRUE philosophy cannot be comprehended in a single thread.

RE: TRUE Gate - WrytXander - 01-16-2014

Well first of all, I think, we should define true and discuss weather the real true - if there is one - is the same as the abstracated true value.

Even though optimization and obtaining efficiency in MC will be pretty difficult, the outcome would be aeviternaly superb.

RE: TRUE Gate - David - 01-16-2014

Hmmm, this is a complicated problem, especially with the complexness of a TRUE gate. I'll follow this thread as you post updates.

RE: TRUE Gate - Halflife390 - 01-16-2014

I think were on the edge of a new frontier with this one!

RE: TRUE Gate - Legofreak - 01-16-2014

[Image: anygate_zps946d3bc0.png]

You can use my multi gate in true mode to double check your findings... Lol

RE: TRUE Gate - Cutlassw30 - 01-16-2014

(01-16-2014, 08:11 PM)RekcirBrickeR Wrote:
You can use my multi gate in true mode to double check your findings... Lol

I doubt that has a proper true gate function. Particles in the wafer of silicon may lead to a astable output and a clock would be needed to update this true gate at around 100mhz. But then its not a gate as its a syncronous truegate.

RE: TRUE Gate - Halflife390 - 01-16-2014

(01-16-2014, 09:46 PM)Cutlassw30 Wrote:
(01-16-2014, 08:11 PM)RekcirBrickeR Wrote:
You can use my multi gate in true mode to double check your findings... Lol

I doubt that has a proper true gate function. Particles in the wafer of silicon may lead to a astable output and a clock would be needed to update this true gate at around 100mhz. But then its not a gate as its a syncronous truegate.

I think you may be overcomplicating things...

RE: TRUE Gate - Iceglade - 01-16-2014

The next step would be to have a multi-inputting system in which each input is consistently added to the truegate's functionality. This would be an interesting breakthrough which would allow things such as extremely noob-friendly doors.

RE: TRUE Gate - Legofreak - 01-16-2014

(01-16-2014, 10:11 PM)Halflife390 Wrote:
(01-16-2014, 09:46 PM)Cutlassw30 Wrote:
(01-16-2014, 08:11 PM)RekcirBrickeR Wrote:
You can use my multi gate in true mode to double check your findings... Lol

I doubt that has a proper true gate function. Particles in the wafer of silicon may lead to a astable output and a clock would be needed to update this true gate at around 100mhz. But then its not a gate as its a syncronous truegate.

I think you may be overcomplicating things...

Its less complicated than it looks. Its an adder with one output for each answer with each output toggleable. The big white thing underneath is the truth table for all 16 gates... I should have made a new thread for this... Lol

RE: TRUE Gate - Guy1234567890 - 01-16-2014

(01-16-2014, 09:46 PM)Cutlassw30 Wrote:
(01-16-2014, 08:11 PM)RekcirBrickeR Wrote:
You can use my multi gate in true mode to double check your findings... Lol

I doubt that has a proper true gate function. Particles in the wafer of silicon may lead to a astable output and a clock would be needed to update this true gate at around 100mhz. But then its not a gate as its a syncronous truegate.

... true

(i made a funny)

RE: TRUE Gate - Iceglade - 01-16-2014

ba dum tss

RE: TRUE Gate - praskazoo - 02-07-2014

The answer is pig logic... its simple all you need is a pig calculator to measure the algorithm of pigness then divide by 7 and attach it to a pig logic gate and there you go, a true gate Smile

hope I helped in your endeavor

RE: TRUE Gate - boomerangbro10 - 05-08-2014

(02-07-2014, 06:13 AM)praskazoo Wrote: The answer is pig logic... its simple all you need is a pig calculator to measure the algorithm of pigness then divide by 7 and attach it to a pig logic gate and there you go, a true gate hope I helped in your endeavor

I agree! Except you need to divide by 7.000000001, not just 7. REMEMBER THIS STUFF FROM PIG-MATH CLASS???

RE: TRUE Gate - LordDecapo - 05-09-2014

this thread makes all mathematicians and comp sci majors, cry, due to its vast break through in the worst of awesome

RE: TRUE Gate - EDevil - 05-11-2014

UPDATE!

I've been less active-ish with this due to some other projects (making stupid ALU's, etc.), but im 100% back!

Progress;
[Image: dJTx1ae.jpg]

As you can see, the base is already build. I opted to go with a comparator based TRUE gates. Solid state has proven me many times of its reliability, and because i used the comparator variant of the gate, you could even pipeline through this gate at 2 ticks!

Now its only handeling the inputs and output. More progress updates will follow!

RE: TRUE Gate - AFtExploision - 05-11-2014

Wait. WHY IS IT IN SUBTRACT MODE? ARE YOU TRYING TO MAKE AN INVERTER?

RE: TRUE Gate - Legofreak - 05-11-2014

its obvious he's subtracting 0 to make it true.

RE: TRUE Gate - AFtExploision - 05-12-2014

Buttttt, if it was in the other mode, then it'd be impossible to shut off, as it is powered by 15 on the back! In subtract mode he could make it un-TRUE!

RE: TRUE Gate - tokumei - 05-12-2014

By the way, I think Benny showcased a TRUE gate on his channel in a redstone tutorial about logic gates... Just sayin'.

RE: TRUE Gate - Chibill - 05-12-2014

Lock this thing.

RE: TRUE Gate - AFtExploision - 05-12-2014

But chi, we're on the bleeding edge here, not just for redstone, for all of Electronics! We're changing the world!

RE: TRUE Gate - Legofreak - 05-13-2014

(05-12-2014, 12:43 AM)AFtExploision Wrote: Buttttt, if it was in the other mode, then it'd be impossible to shut off, as it is powered by 15 on the back! In subtract mode he could make it un-TRUE!

you make a good point!

in normal mode you can add inputs and the true gate works!

RE: TRUE Gate - EDevil - 05-13-2014

Thank you guys SO much for helping me with this! I was debugging the gate for almost 2 DAYS, and decided to check out the thread. Turned out that you guys already found the problem, the comparator was in subtraction mode ;_; Once again, many thanks. I couldn't have figured this out myself!

RE: TRUE Gate - Dcentrics - 05-13-2014

43 tick flashing true gate that has to be reset every time it gets an input.... still working on making it faster

RE: TRUE Gate - AFtExploision - 05-13-2014

great progress!

RE: TRUE Gate - jxu - 05-14-2014

(01-16-2014, 05:00 PM)Guy1234567890 Wrote: Clearly some level of abstraction is causing the argument to be lost in the vastness of redstone. The transcendence of TRUE philosophy cannot be comprehended in a single thread.

When discussing something so complex, of course there will be leaky abstractions. This is something we just have to deal with.

RE: TRUE Gate - killing_you_guy_ - 06-12-2014

I challenge you to make a false gate now!

RE: TRUE Gate - AFtExploision - 06-12-2014

But we are mere mortals, a FALSE gate is beyond us.

RE: TRUE Gate - killing_you_guy_ - 06-12-2014

My friend says he made a 10*11*35 false gate.
I doubt it though.

Wait... He managed to make a false gate in logism.

RE: TRUE Gate - repeerc709 - 06-13-2014

Is a TRUE gate where it only outputs a value of true?

(06-13-2014, 09:21 AM)repeerc709 Wrote: Is a TRUE gate where it only outputs a value of true?

If so, I have an idea: http://imgur.com/2zvnbqn

RE: TRUE Gate - EDevil - 06-13-2014

(06-13-2014, 09:21 AM)repeerc709 Wrote: Is a TRUE gate where it only outputs a value of true?

(06-13-2014, 09:21 AM)repeerc709 Wrote: Is a TRUE gate where it only outputs a value of true?

If so, I have an idea: http://imgur.com/2zvnbqn

DUDE thats pretty neat! Gays i found the new guy1234567890 Big Grin

RE: TRUE Gate - repeerc709 - 06-13-2014

(06-13-2014, 09:50 AM)EDevil Wrote:
(06-13-2014, 09:21 AM)repeerc709 Wrote: Is a TRUE gate where it only outputs a value of true?

(06-13-2014, 09:21 AM)repeerc709 Wrote: Is a TRUE gate where it only outputs a value of true?

If so, I have an idea: http://imgur.com/2zvnbqn

DUDE thats pretty neat! Gays i found the new guy1234567890

Thank you! Smile

RE: TRUE Gate - repeerc709 - 06-14-2014

To have more inputs, add AND gates, like shown here: http://imgur.com/oh7jDg5

(06-12-2014, 03:07 AM)killing_you_guy_ Wrote: I challenge you to make a false gate now!

Here's your false gate, sir!: http://imgur.com/YvRDQ0A

RE: TRUE Gate - JeremyG - 06-15-2014

(06-14-2014, 08:55 AM)repeerc709 Wrote: To have more inputs, add AND gates, like shown here: http://imgur.com/oh7jDg5

What's the significance of the spider? Does it have to be exactly where it is pictured or is there some more room for it?

RE: TRUE Gate - repeerc709 - 06-16-2014

(06-15-2014, 05:48 PM)JeremyG Wrote:
(06-14-2014, 08:55 AM)repeerc709 Wrote: To have more inputs, add AND gates, like shown here: http://imgur.com/oh7jDg5

What's the significance of the spider? Does it have to be exactly where it is pictured or is there some more room for it?

Yes, the spider keeps the electricity from shooting off the machine and striking a creeper... lolno, i had just turned it to day, and i had it on easy difficulty.

RE: TRUE Gate - David - 06-16-2014

GUYS GUYS! MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH!
I don't think we'll ever be able to get it even more compact!

[Image: 2014-06-16_15.48.24.png]

I'm making use of three AND gates and ONE NAND gate. It was really hard to work on but I think I did a great job at compacting. It's also 0 ticks!

RE: TRUE Gate - EDevil - 06-16-2014

(06-16-2014, 02:51 PM)David Wrote: GUYS GUYS! MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH!
I don't think we'll ever be able to get it even more compact!

I'm making use of three AND gates and ONE NAND gate. It was really hard to work on but I think I did a great job at compacting. It's also 0 ticks!

And fully solid state. Sweeet David

RE: TRUE Gate - David - 06-16-2014

I know, right!

RE: TRUE Gate - AFtExploision - 06-17-2014

Wait edevs, your TRUE gate is much more compact, David is using Minecraft beta redstone techniques instead of keeping with the times!

RE: TRUE Gate - repeerc709 - 06-18-2014

(06-16-2014, 02:51 PM)David Wrote: GUYS GUYS! MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH!
I don't think we'll ever be able to get it even more compact!

I'm making use of three AND gates and ONE NAND gate. It was really hard to work on but I think I did a great job at compacting. It's also 0 ticks!

RE: TRUE Gate - David - 06-18-2014

Hmmmm, that works but it's not exactly "clean" redstone. I do not approve.

RE: TRUE Gate - Killerbunny - 06-23-2014

Now that David showed us his very unique design, I think somebody should make an instant wire version.
My math tells me it will be clearly faster then David's contraption.

RE: TRUE Gate - EDevil - 06-23-2014

Ma math says that instant == not that good (ESPECIALLY WITH AN TRUE GATE). Could be wrong though.

RE: TRUE Gate - AFtExploision - 06-23-2014

WAIT. I have a plan. We could just recycle the last calculation in the true gate to make a faster throughput! So it outputs and then the calculations finishs

RE: TRUE Gate - David - 06-23-2014

YES! We should store the previous output in a dflip and re-use that.

RE: TRUE Gate - EDevil - 06-24-2014

We could use the output of the TRUE gate and hook if up through a plot pointer, then use that output for a sudoku renderer and than use that output and dazy chain it through 2 cpu's, maximizing the hyperthreading capabilities letting it have 4 threads to check the state of the TRUE gate.

RE: TRUE Gate - David - 06-24-2014

[Image: TRUE_gate_v2.png]

There is the version with a dflip. It uses a clock to update the output.