(02-16-2015, 08:21 PM)martin of redwall Wrote: well arent people on this forum nice! thanks for welcoming me. (most forums the senior staff dont say high to the newbies). and wow i messed up that reply.

(02-16-2015, 08:04 PM)PabloDons Wrote: great to meet you martin! may I ask what got you into redstone in the first place and how you found this server? I love hearing peoples stories, really.

(02-16-2015, 08:46 PM)PabloDons Wrote:

(02-16-2015, 08:21 PM)martin of redwall Wrote: well arent people on this forum nice! thanks for welcoming me. (most forums the senior staff dont say high to the newbies). and wow i messed up that reply.

lol it's nice to hear. I would love to help you, do you not have minecraft for desktop? in which case I would be able to help you online. otherwise it's fine. tell me what your problem is

(02-16-2015, 08:47 PM)martin of redwall Wrote:

(02-16-2015, 08:04 PM)PabloDons Wrote: great to meet you martin! may I ask what got you into redstone in the first place and how you found this server? I love hearing peoples stories, really.

i dont really know much about the stuff im reading on this forum. i hope i can learn but without a computer i dont really know. i hope by directly replying to you i can get an anwser. also i really hope i can fit in on this forum because i got little help else where.

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(02-16-2015, 08:46 PM)PabloDons Wrote:

(02-16-2015, 08:21 PM)martin of redwall Wrote: well arent people on this forum nice! thanks for welcoming me. (most forums the senior staff dont say high to the newbies). and wow i messed up that reply.

lol it's nice to hear. I would love to help you, do you not have minecraft for desktop? in which case I would be able to help you online. otherwise it's fine. tell me what your problem is

i dont have MC for the desktop sadly. but i can explain what im doing and my problem hope you can help. but frist do you have an understanding of comouter components like ram, prom and such? just so i know how to word things.

(02-16-2015, 08:47 PM)martin of redwall Wrote: im trying to make an A.I. "computer" with adaptive learning. ok so i have a small three input with 36 outputs based on the inputs given. it does work. in oder to explain i will break the system into five parts then explain their relationship. part one input: the three inputs are pressure plates they feed into a one wire bus this bus can be contined an infinite distance. at the end is a component that decodes which input was used. (the flaw here is that the incoming signal has to be a pulse not a hard signal.) part two: the "ALU" this is a parallel of 36 order sensitive two input and three input decoders with built in RAM which allows the decoder to remember the last input since it will need either two or three inputs to active its output. once the output is sent the decoder resets to zero. part three: the direct output: all decoder singals go on to the same one wire bus to a decoder then the proper output is sent. the outputs for now are lamps. part four: counters and EEPROM: counters will count the amount of time a particluar sequence is used i cunnently have it set to three times this is also a self resetting component once the counter reaches three it sends a pulsed signal to EEPROM where the infromation is stored for a later time. part 5: quick lookup table: is is a parrallel of AND gates inwhich the primary input and EEPROM inputs are sent.
relationship: the primary input is sent ao a one wire bus to a bus decoder that signal is sent to the decoders processing wires each input is bussed parrallel to the decoders to allow one main signal source. the primary signal is also sent to the quick lookup tables (covered later). once at the decoders to imformation is processed by either a three input or two input decoder if insuffienct data is avaiable the current data is stored in its internal RAM once enought information is vailable the decoder sends out a signal to a bus line where it is incoded for transmtion along the one wire bus. the bus decoder will activate to proper output. the decoder signal is also sent to a counter which will count the number of times it that event happened once it reaches three (but can be changed to count up to 576 or 1,151 if you dont want auto reset) the signal is sent to EEPROM which is a slightly modified T-flipflop this information is a hard signal to the quick look up table to its event AND gate this turns on half the needed data. the primary input is sent and if its event has happen 3 times a signal is send straight to the output taking 2.3 seconds of delay out of the response.
the A.I. is the fact it can track inputs and a decide a direction of travel. the adaptive part is where an event is stored after three detections to quiken its response.
ill let that sink in and anwser any questions before i tell you some problems ive had. but it does work.

(02-16-2015, 10:26 PM)PabloDons Wrote:

(02-16-2015, 08:47 PM)martin of redwall Wrote: im trying to make an A.I. "computer" with adaptive learning. ok so i have a small three input with 36 outputs based on the inputs given. it does work. in oder to explain i will break the system into five parts then explain their relationship. part one input: the three inputs are pressure plates they feed into a one wire bus this bus can be contined an infinite distance. at the end is a component that decodes which input was used. (the flaw here is that the incoming signal has to be a pulse not a hard signal.) part two: the "ALU" this is a parallel of 36 order sensitive two input and three input decoders with built in RAM which allows the decoder to remember the last input since it will need either two or three inputs to active its output. once the output is sent the decoder resets to zero. part three: the direct output: all decoder singals go on to the same one wire bus to a decoder then the proper output is sent. the outputs for now are lamps. part four: counters and EEPROM: counters will count the amount of time a particluar sequence is used i cunnently have it set to three times this is also a self resetting component once the counter reaches three it sends a pulsed signal to EEPROM where the infromation is stored for a later time. part 5: quick lookup table: is is a parrallel of AND gates inwhich the primary input and EEPROM inputs are sent.
relationship: the primary input is sent ao a one wire bus to a bus decoder that signal is sent to the decoders processing wires each input is bussed parrallel to the decoders to allow one main signal source. the primary signal is also sent to the quick lookup tables (covered later). once at the decoders to imformation is processed by either a three input or two input decoder if insuffienct data is avaiable the current data is stored in its internal RAM once enought information is vailable the decoder sends out a signal to a bus line where it is incoded for transmtion along the one wire bus. the bus decoder will activate to proper output. the decoder signal is also sent to a counter which will count the number of times it that event happened once it reaches three (but can be changed to count up to 576 or 1,151 if you dont want auto reset) the signal is sent to EEPROM which is a slightly modified T-flipflop this information is a hard signal to the quick look up table to its event AND gate this turns on half the needed data. the primary input is sent and if its event has happen 3 times a signal is send straight to the output taking 2.3 seconds of delay out of the response.
the A.I. is the fact it can track inputs and a decide a direction of travel. the adaptive part is where an event is stored after three detections to quiken its response.
ill let that sink in and anwser any questions before i tell you some problems ive had. but it does work.

woah A.I with adaptive learning :O.
I'm gonna need a simplification, I can only take in so much at a time. Is it a machine that takes inputs, based on the inputs decides a destination and if the same input is sent 3 times it quickens it's response? I was not able to quite understand how it works, but I think I can figure it out if you explain the problem

(02-17-2015, 12:06 PM)PabloDons Wrote: So in really short u want a decoder to detect what order a pair of pressure plates where pressed? (If its 1 then 2 or 2 then 1) but you need it to be small because you have 90 inputs and detecting each pattern is like (90!) Decoders. am I correct? In which case I'll see what I can do and try build one that is stackable and don't need 100 million other decoders, hopefully some other members might help out as well

(02-17-2015, 05:39 PM)The Magical Gentleman Wrote: In this case, couldn't you encode the inputs as 7-bit numbers? (90 would fit in a 7-bit value)
You could then connect the 2-3 7-bit numbers together as a 21-bit unique value which represents the input state.
you could encode the inputs from the values 0000001 to 1011010 (1 to 90)
and you could treat no input as value 0000000

Then you can create codes like this, treated as 21 bit values:

2, 4, 90: 1011010 0000100 0000010

6, 32: 0000000 0100000 0000110

note that the numbers are pushed in from the right, so that in a 2-input combination it will be nice and neat with the leading zeroes

(02-17-2015, 07:34 PM)PabloDons Wrote: binary is pretty simple. in really really short it is counting with just 1's and 0's.
in school you have probably learned that there are 10 different symbols: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9.
let's say we have 4 bits: 0000. this is, as you might have guessed, 0.
counting up one we get 0001. as you might have already known from basic counting in school, zeros to the left of the number means nothing and can be removed to simplify. but in a computer you cannot remove them so we keep them.
now usually what comes next is a 2, but we only have 0's and 1's. Now what comes after a 9? 10!
counting up again we get 0010. we have only counted twice so that is a 2 in binary.
then so on and so forth.
the first bit is the one that has the smallest value, or in other words, the least significant bit.
that bit has the value 1 in our case. now going up the next bit has the value 2 or in binary a 10. the next has the value 4 or in binary 100. you can calculate the bit value with the formula 2^n where n is the bit number.

the reason people use binary instead of decimal is because redstone wire has 2 states: on or off (or with other words 1 or 0). you can use hexadecimal (base 16) because signal strength can have 16 different values. but that is using comparators

(02-17-2015, 08:05 PM)martin of redwall Wrote: i know about that part its just the part about how to turn it into a output i tired logic gates like in a computer processor but they have millions even billions of transistors

(02-17-2015, 10:30 PM)RekcirBrickeR Wrote:

(02-17-2015, 08:05 PM)martin of redwall Wrote: i know about that part its just the part about how to turn it into a output i tired logic gates like in a computer processor but they have millions even billions of transistors

millions and billions isnt a requirement though. you can usually get the job done(even if slowly) with much less; tens or hundreds of logic gates.

(02-18-2015, 01:26 AM)The Magical Gentleman Wrote: In regards to what I suggested before:

encoding the digits is just a matter of busing the pressure plate signal into an array of repeaters where the repeaters are only placed where you want a 1.
You would have to place all that stuff by hand for every combination

then the output would have to be D-latched.

you should have 3 arrays of D-latches, with one set feeding into the next in parallel.
(use repeater locks btw, I'm assuming xbox mc has those)

when you step on a pressure plate, there should be a pulse that triggers ALL d latches at the same time that the input reaches the first array.
This will save the input, and propagate any previous input forwards.



Hope that helped?

(02-16-2015, 08:14 PM)martin of redwall Wrote: i got into redstone when i was promted to do so by a friend. i didnt really like it at frist but then i got extremely good i was within a few weeks making logic gates before i even knew what that was. i built clocks and even and ALU before my showed me youtube videos and i was they there close even identical to the "redstone youtubers". i soon found my self making things that are just awesome. but i only have it for the xbox 360 so i cant really share unless others have it for the xbox and want to check it out. i found this server by googling "redstone forums". im stuck on something and was hoping to find a couple of xbox players that would help me. if your interested in what it is ill explain it. i really hope i do!

(02-23-2015, 02:41 PM)LordDecapo Wrote: Umm, you definitely need to add me on xbox, I started Redstone on the 360, and build some of the more advanced CPU architectures on this server (with the help of many OFC, gotta love the team work of ORE).
and I believe I figured a way to do this much smaller and faster.
you can incorporate the AI system into the "game board inputs" it self, and just have it out put the last known movement direction and position etc to the main logic controler.
I get off work at 4pm EST all this week, so add me and I'll hope on and try and give you a hand.

(03-11-2015, 01:34 PM)LordDecapo Wrote: Not at all just add me on Xbox live (same name) and let me know your gamer tag so I can add you back (I hate the new adding system)
I am mainly am on Netflix xD while playing on this server lol. Just message or add me and as long as I'm not zoned out I'll join u lol