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make students become builders - Crazyninja2000 - 07-18-2014
The whole point of school is to eventually learn redstone to become a builder. But some students have been here for months and don't even know binary. All they do is build a bunch of things that have nothing to do with redstone. I think after a period of time you lost your plot if you don't become a builder in that time period. It would grow the build community with more builders.
RE: make students become builders - LordDecapo - 07-18-2014
i agree. if you dont do redstone comp sci stuff for a while or u are not active for a while, you should lose your plot on school, would give opportunity for good builders to progress and show us who doesmt care to much about comp sci redstone.
RE: make students become builders - Tjakka5 - 07-18-2014
That seems good, however, I suggest that they get a notification well in advance (3 months) so a staff member can "refresh" their period.
RE: make students become builders - Jupperware - 07-28-2014
here here
RE: make students become builders - Apuly - 07-30-2014
I don't feel like you have to focus on computer science on the school server.
It's a place where you're supposed to learn redstone, and the main focus by all the higher ranked people is on computer science, but if you're just there to build doors and combo-locks, I don't really see the problem, as long as they're improving.
Forcing people to get into computer science will probably destimulate some people to join the server, even if the time period is 6 months.
RE: make students become builders - PNWMan - 08-01-2014
I disagree with this post. Having your plot deleted if you don't become a member in a certain amount of time might cause some students to rush learning. Rushed learning tends to be very flaw-filled and confusing. I can attest to this as very occasionally, I will have to teach someone quickly because I have to leave soon or something, and the student just gets confused.
Also, very few active students have been students for a super long time; I could probably come up with about 2 or 3. I just don't think it's worth it to delete their plots if they are students. Besides, on the very back burner is 6 month old plot deletion, which would clear up quite a few plots (over 100), so implementing this would be mostly futile and the negative effects would outweigh the benefits.
RE: make students become builders - Crazyninja2000 - 08-01-2014
(07-30-2014, 12:07 PM)paulydboy Wrote: I don't feel like you have to focus on computer science on the school server.
It's a place where you're supposed to learn redstone, and the main focus by all the higher ranked people is on computer science, but if you're just there to build doors and combo-locks, I don't really see the problem, as long as they're improving.
Forcing people to get into computer science will probably destimulate some people to join the server, even if the time period is 6 months.
The whole point of the student rank is to learn. thats why they are called students, not builders. ORE teaches computer science, not doors and locks. If they want to build doors and locks, they can do it on another server that doesnt do computer science or single player.
RE: make students become builders - Apuly - 08-01-2014
(08-01-2014, 01:31 PM)Crazyninja2000 Wrote: The whole point of the student rank is to learn. thats why they are called students, not builders. ORE teaches computer science, not doors and locks. If they want to build doors and locks, they can do it on another server that doesnt do computer science or single player.
ORE teaches redstone. This can be seen in the finished school application thread, where people who just want to learn how to make survival-related machines are accepted.
The largest part of the students wants to learn computer science. This is why the main requirement for teacher is knowing how to teach computer science, and the reason that teachers are most likely not going to teach doors to people.
In the situation that a teacher is willing to teach a student how to door, or how to combo-lock, then they're free to do so. It still (to some extend) improves the knowledge that the students have in the field of redstone.
RE: make students become builders - Crazyninja2000 - 08-01-2014
(08-01-2014, 02:07 PM)paulydboy Wrote:(08-01-2014, 01:31 PM)Crazyninja2000 Wrote: The whole point of the student rank is to learn. thats why they are called students, not builders. ORE teaches computer science, not doors and locks. If they want to build doors and locks, they can do it on another server that doesnt do computer science or single player.
ORE teaches redstone. This can be seen in the finished school application thread, where people who just want to learn how to make survival-related machines are accepted.
The largest part of the students wants to learn computer science. This is why the main requirement for teacher is knowing how to teach computer science, and the reason that teachers are most likely not going to teach doors to people.
In the situation that a teacher is willing to teach a student how to door, or how to combo-lock, then they're free to do so. It still (to some extend) improves the knowledge that the students have in the field of redstone.
the whole point of student is to learn enough to get on build. thats why not a single teacher teaches those sad little machines. ORE is known for its computer science, not piston doors. its okay to build those for fun, but we teach comp redstone. you can go to a creative server if you want to build doors and locks.
RE: make students become builders - Apuly - 08-01-2014
Can you please provide me with some proof for your statement?
RE: make students become builders - Crazyninja2000 - 08-01-2014
proof of what? that teachers dont teach sad little machines or the point of students are to learn so they move on to build?
RE: make students become builders - Apuly - 08-01-2014
Proof that the school server is computer science only would be nice.
RE: make students become builders - Crazyninja2000 - 08-01-2014
i already told you, students learn from teachers, teachers teach comp redstone, students use comp redstone for the build trial.
notice what tyler says...
http://imgur.com/b1JIw8F
RE: make students become builders - Apuly - 08-01-2014
He never defined what people are supposed to learn.
Your interpretation, together with the interpretation of many others, is that the school server is for learning computer science.
But if you look at the name of our community the Open Redstone Engineers, it quite obviously says open. We are not the CSRE (Computer Science Redstone Rngineers), and this also applies to the school server.
Also, in the guide to joining school, absolutely nothing is mentioned about Computer Science. Just that you will be taught by redstone experts around the world.
RE: make students become builders - Crazyninja2000 - 08-01-2014
pauly its obvious we teach comp redstone. everyone knows that except for nubs. look at every single build plot.
RE: make students become builders - Apuly - 08-01-2014
The build server is a different story. That's where the magical computer science goes down.
But on the school server the skill level is a lot lower, and people who have no interest in computer science are free to join (referring back the the accepted school applications).
RE: make students become builders - Crazyninja2000 - 08-01-2014
the whole point of school is to learn so you can become a builder.
RE: make students become builders - Apuly - 08-01-2014
The whole point of school is to learn how to redstone.
Most people who join school are learning to become a builder.
You are not obligated become builder once you have enough knowledge to become builder.
RE: make students become builders - Crazyninja2000 - 08-01-2014
well the whole point of this thread pauly is to make it obligated to becoem a builder. plz post anymore arguements about this on another thread or in chat.
RE: make students become builders - Apuly - 08-01-2014
I'm trying to point out 2 things in this argument.
1: It's not obligated to become a builder
2: Giving time restrictions for plots for students to stimulate them into learning so that they can become a builder is a bad idea.
The school is for learning, and if your goal is to learn, then adding time time restriction is a bad idea. It removes the freedom for players to learn in their own pace, increasing the chance of those players leaving the server.
RE: make students become builders - Crazyninja2000 - 08-01-2014
a 3-4 month restriction is good. we need the students to become builders. some students have been here for 6 months and dont know binary, and they are active. my point is that it should be obligated to become a builder.
RE: make students become builders - Apuly - 08-01-2014
Well, as long as they're building, I don't see the problem. By building, they're doing exactly what they're supposed to do on the server, being learning how to redstone.
As I've pointed out throughout the discussing, knowing computer science on the school server is not an obligation.
RE: make students become builders - SoapyLynx - 08-05-2014
Eh, I know a lot about redstone, but I'm too scared that I will fail at trial so I don't do it.
RE: make students become builders - David - 08-05-2014
(08-01-2014, 09:23 PM)Crazyninja2000 Wrote: a 3-4 month restriction is good. we need the students to become builders. some students have been here for 6 months and dont know binary, and they are active. my point is that it should be obligated to become a builder.
I don't think we should force them into computer science (as stated by someone else before). I'm fine with millions of combo locks and piston doors on the school server.
Why should we force them? If they're active it means that they're having fun. Isn't that the biggest part of redstone? Just having fun.
(08-05-2014, 06:08 AM)SoapyLynx Wrote: Eh, I know a lot about redstone, but I'm too scared that I will fail at trial so I don't do it.
There is no limit to the fails on a trial. Just go for it, man! If you fail you've got an infinite number of more attempts.
RE: make students become builders - Crazyninja2000 - 08-06-2014
whats the point of becoming a student if you dont graduate to build, its not like the school sevrer is the less advanced build, its to learn how to get to build. and idc what paul says, he says sethbling is the redsotne god(dont argue about this).
RE: make students become builders - Apuly - 08-06-2014
kek
Also, as I pointed out before, the point of becoming a student is to learn. Most students just want to promote to build at some point. And the school server is in fact a less advanced build for people to learn shit.
Also, just because I said I think sethbling is redstone god does not mean that my logic is irrelevant.
RE: make students become builders - David - 08-06-2014
(08-06-2014, 03:51 AM)Crazyninja2000 Wrote: whats the point of becoming a student if you dont graduate to build, its not like the school sevrer is the less advanced build, its to learn how to get to build. and idc what paul says, he says sethbling is the redsotne god(dont argue about this).
What's the point? Having fun! That's all that matters IMO.
RE: make students become builders - Nuuppanaani - 08-06-2014
(08-06-2014, 12:54 PM)David Wrote:(08-06-2014, 03:51 AM)Crazyninja2000 Wrote: whats the point of becoming a student if you dont graduate to build, its not like the school sevrer is the less advanced build, its to learn how to get to build. and idc what paul says, he says sethbling is the redsotne god(dont argue about this).
What's the point? Having fun! That's all that matters IMO.
(08-05-2014, 07:37 PM)Xray_Doc Wrote: So basically
![[Image: No_Fun_Allowed.jpg]](http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120529035315/mlp/images/8/8b/No_Fun_Allowed.jpg)
RE: make students become builders - Xray_Doc - 08-06-2014
(08-06-2014, 07:16 AM)paulydboy Wrote: Also, just because I said I think sethbling is redstone god does not mean that my logic is irrelevant.
Yes it does
RE: make students become builders - Iceglade - 08-06-2014
Quote:This is a guide for joining the school server. Once you join, you will get a 128*128 plot to build your contraptions on, not to mention that you will be taught by redstone experts around the world. If you’re an aspiring redstoner, this is the place for you!
The first thing you’ll have to do, is to read the rules.
Becoming a student at the school server is simpler than becoming a member at the build server. If you haven’t already, you should make an account at our forums .
Once that is done, go to the school section’s Applications (New or Unapproved) subforum, and press “new thread”. Copy over this and fill it out:
-School server application guide
Shall we change it to:
Quote:This is a guide for joining the school server. Once you join, you will get a 128*128 plot to build your contraptions on. You will then have 3 months to learn computational redstone, at which point you must apply for build or your plot will be deleted.
The first thing you’ll have to do, is to read the rules.
Becoming a student at the school server is simpler than becoming a member at the build server. If you haven’t already, you should make an account at our forums .
Once that is done, go to the school section’s Applications (New or Unapproved) subforum, and press “new thread”. Copy over this and fill it out:
That sounds mighty inviting, doesn't it?
Personally I really think members (myself included) need to tone down a bit on addressing so-called "server issues". We have some 8-odd threads now made by members (one of them is mine, sadly) trying to change ORE for the better... but really all we're doing is making it even less stable. I'm not undermining anyone's efforts, but at this point it's doing far more harm than good.
RE: make students become builders - Crazyninja2000 - 08-07-2014
(08-06-2014, 01:41 PM)Nuuppanaani Wrote:(08-05-2014, 07:37 PM)Xray_Doc Wrote: So basically
where did you get that quote. xray didnt post that any where on this whole thread unless you got it from another thread.
RE: make students become builders - EDevil - 08-07-2014
(08-07-2014, 03:59 AM)Crazyninja2000 Wrote:(08-06-2014, 01:41 PM)Nuuppanaani Wrote:(08-05-2014, 07:37 PM)Xray_Doc Wrote: So basically
where did you get that quote. xray didnt post that any where on this whole thread unless you got it from another thread.
Its a secret.
(press the green arrow next to the quote
)
RE: make students become builders - Jupperware - 08-16-2014
Man, combined with this thread and Ninja's thread about disallowing WE helps it sure sounds like you're sick of students. Why not just stay on the build server and forget students exist? Then you don't have to worry about student plots, students asking for WE help, and we don't have to worry about these threads that end up going no where.
win win.
RE: make students become builders - Xray_Doc - 08-16-2014
It's from another thread. And nice bump.